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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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VagrantHero said:
Better that the puppy be kicked than dead because it charged out into traffic instead of staying back as ordered.
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Except the order was based upon the fairly reasonable assumption that the expedition would be taking a relatively lightly defended position, and it is rather hard to rest when the nearby orcs/goblins are up in arms. Because at the end of the day in a all hands on deck scenario if the opposition breeches enemy lines taking a nap is a good way to get killed, and one needs to be either very tired, or to be ice cold to sleep with that knowledge.

Do keep in mind that Mathilde style of command in this expedition has been very hands off, and this is a direct result of lacking months to build them up like say the Purge campaign had in Stirland. Like Mathilde outright states she's been leaving them with the friends they made along the way, therefore if we wish have Panoramia be more careful in the future leveraging that bond is the most likely to work when paired with her high level of respect toward Mathilde.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
The dwarves have little to no reason to even know Ranald, much less dislike him.
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The humans in the council might see what we actually did was heresy and a potential breach of Article 7, especially the Ulricans. Best not to chance it. Full disclosure isn't wise with human representatives on that council, and the only three persons I'd ever trust with our Ranald brokered Divine fencing operation is Heideck, Regimand and maybe Anton if we ever end up marrying Anton.
 
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EVA-Saiyajin said:
Perhaps, but that they were streaming from all over and then headed back there says they could have stayed there.
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BoneyM said:
[Greenskin leadership: 5+10=15.]

And he fails, as he dissolves into frustration and the swing of his choppa becomes just one more thing for the greenskins to be terrified of. With still more greenskins pouring out of the Citadel there's no retreat to be had there, so instead they shatter in every direction at once.
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they where still pouring out when things fell into a route. So while that means its unlikely to be totally empty, it does mean the main body of the greenskin horde was not able to make it back to the citadel. I'm assuming the option involves scouting it out at least a bit first, but I'm willing to wagere there is somewhere between a tenth and a third of the green skins still in that citadel.
 
To those saying that Panoramia's actions constitute only a minor breach of discipline without serious effect, consider that she did the thing that the rest of us chose not to do, which was go into a battle casting magic while tired, but in addition to that, she also disobeyed her commanding officer (us), whose authority was determined by the expedition, which Panoramia volunteered to be a part of. In addition to what she did being risky, she did so despite being ordered not to do that. Yes, we are not a Jade Magister, and yes, Mathilde has gone against orders from her superiors in the past, but none of those involved a battlefield and potential possession by warp demons. As such, I'm actually displeased that so many wish to give her a mere slap on the wrist given solely that we like her and things went all right. We are her commanding officer.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
@EVA-Saiyajin I think you have a point, but what about full disclosure?

The dwarves have little to no reason to even know Ranald, much less dislike him.
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Because humans do. And they are here, in great numbers, as important and valued commanders who will eventually return to the Empire saying that we are a Ranald worshiper who claims (with varying levels of thoughts on our sanity) to have helped Ranald steal power from a Greenskin god in a faraway Karak. These commanders could also be potential political "statements" as to our viability as a Wizard Lord.
 
[X] The death of the Warboss and the shattering of an Almost-Rogue Idol.
[X] The residents are weakened, taking the Citadel is now a possibility.
[X] She disobeyed a superior Wizard and her commanding officer. Lecture her harshly but inflict no punishment.
 
[X] The death of the Warboss and the shattering of an Almost-Rogue Idol.
[X] You'd have done the same once. Tell her you understand, but treat her to a lecture on the risks and dangers of miscasts.
[X] The residents are weakened, taking the Citadel is now a possibility.
 
Frankly, I certainly don't want to declare things over before Kazador even gets here. Depending on what he brings, every peak could be possible. Or, maybe just a few more. We'll find out.
 
[X] The death of the Warboss, the shattering of an Almost-Rogue Idol, and the weakening of Mork.
[X] You'd have done the same once. Tell her you understand, but treat her to a lecture on the risks and dangers of miscasts.
[X] The residents are weakened, taking the Citadel is now a possibility.
 
VagrantHero said:
To those saying that Panoramia's actions constitute only a minor breach of discipline without serious effect, consider that she did the thing that the rest of us chose not to do, which was go into a battle casting magic while tired, but in addition to that, she also disobeyed her commanding officer (us), whose authority was determined by the expedition, which Panoramia volunteered to be a part of. In addition to what she did being risky, she did so despite being ordered not to do that. Yes, we are not a Jade Magister, and yes, Mathilde has gone against orders from her superiors in the past, but none of those involved a battlefield and potential possession by warp demons. As such, I'm actually displeased that so many wish to give her a mere slap on the wrist given solely that we like her and things went all right. We are her commanding officer.
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Indeed. I feel that people just aren't really taking it seriously because in the end, she doesn't appear to be THAT important to the future, and that's dangerous for both the narrative and our thought process if we go by mechanical worth solely.
 
BungieONI said:
So question for people who know the lore better than me I've done some reading on the wiki about the Liche Priests and the Lore of Nehekhara and find myself woefully unsatisfied. What does the thread know about the internal culture and abilities of the Mortuary Cult and their Theurgy/Sorcery?
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In thread or by PM?

WorldSlayer said:
How does that work for stuff like Thanqol's point of view?

This seems like a big enough statement I'm going to need a citation to believe it.
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It's from the old head of the Black Library's statement on canon.
 
[X] The death of the Warboss, the shattering of an Almost-Rogue Idol, and the weakening of Mork and strengthening of Ranald.
[X] You'd have done the same once. Tell her you understand, but treat her to a lecture on the risks and dangers of miscasts.
[X] The residents are weakened, taking the Citadel is now a possibility.
 
Mopman43 said:
Frankly, I certainly don't want to declare things over before Kazador even gets here. Depending on what he brings, every peak could be possible. Or, maybe just a few more. We'll find out.
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I'm hoping we can reclaim Karagril relatively soon. The mines there would give Eight Peaks a good source of income if they can be reopened outside of reclaiming sealed vaults, and we can put artillery there to overwatch Death's Pass.
 
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BoneyM said:
Later, there'll be meetings and celebration and ale, but for now things are near enough to settled. With another extremely dubious look at the Warboss' former bed, you instead clamber atop the pile of wealth to perch upon the second-softest thing in the room: a rolled-up rug, presumably from Ind or beyond. To the sound of the grumbling thunder of a fading storm, you quickly surrender to fatigue and fall asleep.
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I'm just going to mention we are curled up on a high quality carpet on one of the biggest mounds of treasure in existence. I wouldn't want to be the one to wake up this particular dragon.
 
[X] The death of the Warboss, the shattering of an Almost-Rogue Idol, and the weakening of Mork.
[X] You'd have done the same once. Tell her you understand, but treat her to a lecture on the risks and dangers of miscasts.
[X] The residents are weakened, taking the Citadel is now a possibility.
 
vsh said:
Note that there are a couple of imperial officers in the council. Telling about empowering Ranald to a knight of Ulric is rather aggravating.
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Agreed.
By the same token, omitting that Mork has suffered a setback and his anger is what stirred up the Greenskins is omitting important information the leadership should have.
 
VagrantHero said:
To those saying that Panoramia's actions constitute only a minor breach of discipline without serious effect, consider that she did the thing that the rest of us chose not to do, which was go into a battle casting magic while tired, but in addition to that, she also disobeyed her commanding officer (us), whose authority was determined by the expedition, which Panoramia volunteered to be a part of. In addition to what she did being risky, she did so despite being ordered not to do that. Yes, we are not a Jade Magister, and yes, Mathilde has gone against orders from her superiors in the past, but none of those involved a battlefield and potential possession by warp demons. As such, I'm actually displeased that so many wish to give her a mere slap on the wrist given solely that we like her and things went all right. We are her commanding officer.
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I feel you are somewhat overstating things by saying she was as spent as we were after grounding out a small gods worth of divine energy.

you're also assuming that going maximum harsh would make for a better lesson, rather than simply embitter her and risk her digging in her heels.
 
[X] The death of the Warboss, the shattering of an Almost-Rogue Idol, and the weakening of Mork.
[X] You'd have done the same once. Tell her you understand, but treat her to a lecture on the risks and dangers of miscasts.
[X] The residents are weakened, taking the Citadel is now a possibility.
 
vsh said:
Note that there are a couple of imperial officers in the council. Telling about empowering Ranald to a knight of Ulric is rather aggravating.
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Precisely. The Dwarves don't need to know about Ranald, and the Ulricans must never know what we did. If anyone tries to ask how we managed to give Mork a bloody nose, we are a Grey Magister. Acting mysterious is part of the job description, and vaguely saying we disrupted a powerful ritual in such a way that Mork was pissed enough to force his followers onto a killing field is probably enough for the Council. As for the Grey Order, I'd probably report to Regimand and Algard and recommend that the details be given a high level of classification.
 
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Regarding Panoramia, I think this is a much more Grey Wizard option, at least Grey Wizard who had Regimand as a Master:

[] Write-in: Leave her a note someplace conspicuous (to her) to either obey her commanding officer or hide her involvement better. This half-hearted middle-ground is a bad mix. You'll lecture her later, when it's more convenient.

doruma1920 said:
I'm just going to mention we are curled up on a high quality carpet on one of the biggest mounds of treasure in existence. I wouldn't want to be the one to wake up this particular dragon.
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Edit : the Quest needs an enthusiastic artist to start following along right about now.

Tired Mathilde curled up on the treasure, a wisp of shadow-smoke curling up from her sleeping form...
 
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[X] The death of the Warboss and the shattering of an Almost-Rogue Idol.
[X] You'd have done the same once. Tell her you understand, but treat her to a lecture on the risks and dangers of miscasts.
[X] The residents are weakened, taking the Citadel is now a possibility.
 
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