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It's a concern of mine that not sticking to the plan, and more specifically not doing what we told the dwarfs we would do, could be a grudge worthy offence. Circumstances don't matter to the dwarfs, just did you keep your word or not?
 
It's a concern of mine that not sticking to the plan, and more specifically not doing what we told the dwarfs we would do, could be a grudge worthy offence. Circumstances don't matter to the dwarfs, just did you keep your word or not?

They are not delusional, I bet. We did not make an oath to do it or anything, and the nature of our sort of fighting means we have to be flexible and change plans if we have to.
And with how spent we are, we do, in fact, have to. Again: if we explain circumstances, they'll understand.
 
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There might be some wiggle room to allow us to reverse engineer a spell that we've seen used, but that ends when we read the foundational text of modern necromancy. We read that book and we are marked for death for the rest of our life, and our life depends on keeping that hidden forever. Honestly, I am really tired of a new potential avenue of study popping up and people immediately saying that we totally need to read the Libre Mortis to make the most of it, like it's just some lucky drop that gives a +1 to magic when equipped. The book was never a reward to be used but a responsibility to be managed. It is only with this new artifact that studying the book isn't a complete death sentence.

[x] This wealth is the future of Karak Eight Peaks. Stay here with the Hoard

Let us remember that sacred lesson:
We are damned for it anyway. If anybody finds out that Liber Mortis was in our possession, there is no way anyone will believe we did not read it. We might as well do the deed if we will be punished for it anyway.
 
We are damned for it anyway. If anybody finds out that Liber Mortis was in our possession, there is no way anyone will believe we did not read it. We might as well do the deed if we will be punished for it anyway.
Good news! We have this nifty new amulet that makes people believe our lies. We can just say we never figured out how to unlock the box.
 
"There is no honour among thieves, yet trust in your brothers and sisters, for there is honour among Ranaldans."
The full sentence from the book was "There is no honour among thieves, yet trust in your brothers and sisters."; I always figured that it ended there because you didn't need to be honorable (a concept of the nobility) to be decent to each other.
 
It's a concern of mine that not sticking to the plan, and more specifically not doing what we told the dwarfs we would do, could be a grudge worthy offence. Circumstances don't matter to the dwarfs, just did you keep your word or not?
Dwarfs are not idiots. So long as Oaths are not involved and we have a good reason, it's fine.

Also, we did exactly what the plan called for and are now doing even more.
 
You know, looking on the bright side, if the local regular orcs and goblins are focused on purging the night goblins of the Crooked Moon and the black orcs of the Broken Tooth then there might be an opportunity to seize far more of Karak Eight Peaks than we expected, depending on how today's battle goes.

If Kragg's thunderstorm wrecks the regular orcs fighting in the open enough then after they exhaust themselves against the black orcs the monstrous cavalry might be able to break them and run them down. That might reduce the orcs numbers enough and be a significant enough victory that Karak Azul will send out its army and a large number of mercenaries would see the opportunity. It would take them awhile to arrive, but the Expedition might be able to hold an expanded perimeter for a few weeks, particularly if Mathilde is running around exploiting her new toy and causing anarchy amongst the skaven and Greenskins.
 
There might be some wiggle room to allow us to reverse engineer a spell that we've seen used, but that ends when we read the foundational text of modern necromancy. We read that book and we are marked for death for the rest of our life, and our life depends on keeping that hidden forever. Honestly, I am really tired of a new potential avenue of study popping up and people immediately saying that we totally need to read the Libre Mortis to make the most of it, like it's just some lucky drop that gives a +1 to magic when equipped. The book was never a reward to be used but a responsibility to be managed. It is only with this new artifact that studying the book isn't a complete death sentence.

That is lovely, my point is that the Colleges do not know we have the book, so them forbidding irrelevant. The first and greatest law is 'don't get caught'. It's the law we are already applying with regards to being in possession of one of the most saught after books of necromancy in the world and which the Grey College would probably divest us of our head if it became known.

Also the above did not engage with my argument with regards to the book being based on the melding of arcane lore so I can't really reply to you being tired, personal preferance is not something that can be debated.
 
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Good news! We have this nifty new amulet that makes people believe our lies. We can just say we never figured out how to unlock the box.

This is actuallly a great point. After reading and fully digesting what we want from the Liber Mortis we might be able to leverage it for College favours by handing it in and telling all the senior Magisters that we never read it.

Still very high risk, but much less so than it was before.

Yes there is. :V

Ranald is pretty awesome like that.

Of course, we have to actually read it to make them believe we didn't ;)
 
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A hundred and fifty two people, and the day's not half done.
Adhoc vote count started by chocolote12 on Sep 20, 2019 at 11:25 AM, finished with 380 posts and 152 votes.
 
Let's all just take a moment to appreciate that when something fucking weird happens, Kragg now thinks 'probably that fucking wizard.' And he's RIGHT.

I don't think we can deny that among the Expedition, we are now That Guy. If dwarves had memes...
Kragg the Grim has updated his Grumblr

The grobi are acting up, and it's probably that damn Mhornokrul again.

#Wretched winds of magic #Why did we ever give the umgi fire
 
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You know, looking on the bright side, if the local regular orcs and goblins are focused on purging the night goblins of the Crooked Moon and the black orcs of the Broken Tooth then there might be an opportunity to seize far more of Karak Eight Peaks than we expected, depending on how today's battle goes.
If we're lucky, the Citadel combatants might mutually annihilate each other and let the Expedition take that area as well. Good firing position (provided it's not completely leveled) aside, there's apparently a secondary treasure vault underneath the Citadel that we could use.
Belegar had made a fair few promises on behalf of the legendary riches of Karak Eight Peaks, but the main treasure vaults of the Karak were almost exactly opposite the Expedition, under Karag Zilfin, and the lesser ones were within Kvinn-Wyr and beneath the Citadel.
And we certainly aren't getting the one in Kvinn-Wyr without a Slayer Throng, Irondrakes, and/or a battery of Flame Cannons.
 
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