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[ ] You are a Magister of the Grey Order, and follow the traditions laid down by Teclis and Magnus the Pious. Try to ground the energies.

This one is tempting, because, well, this is who we are. But I have to go with

[X] You are Dwarf-friend and you bear upon your person a masterpiece developed by the oldest and wisest Runepriest of the Karaz Ankor. Try to destroy the energies.

There's something viscerally appealing about smashing the work of the ork underfoot. And the Ranald option just screams 'trap' to me. After all, never absorb an energy field bigger than your head.
 
  1. So you build a system that is mean to be broken, encouraging corruption, that does not make it more moral, just more stupid
  2. It was in response to one of @Alratan posts, but I can't remember enough of the wording to find it.
Well, it certainly deals away with any concerns about how Grey College oppress students by forbidding them to have money.
Oh hey, I think I found it! (Searched for "rune" in QM posts only)
The best case scenario if you presented this as a get-out-of-jail-free card for mucking about with chaos would be confiscation and some very awkward and pointed questions.
Wow, would you look at that, they would take that belt away from us if we presented it as a reason for us to be allowed to play with forbidden magics. And they would be totally right to do it, because in this case, Matilda clearly went mad with power and shouldn't be allowed to have a justification to dabble in Chaos. I see no reason why would they do so if present it as it is, a tool for us to be more safe if we fuck up our magic and get showered in Dhar.
 
The Grey Order's Vow is described as:

The Lords of the Grey Order assure all Magisters of their Order are bound very tightly by the Articles of Magic and by the Order's own very strict rules. Shadowmancers may only practice their spellcraft for the benefit of Imperial society and are expressly forbidden from using their magic for their own profit or solely for the political or financial profit of their patrons. All Shadowmancers must take vows of poverty and are not permitted to accumulate property or wealth not of direct and practical use to their cause. Any breaches of the many strict rules laid down by the Order are prosecuted very harshly and vigorously.​

Using money that they earn paying back their debt to the College wouldn't require accumulating property or wealth. It would be a way of avoiding accumulating wealth.

Not if you were say drawing a sallary for it no, but if you wanted to go into business in order to pay said crippling debt (like we actually did) it would diasllow it since the acquiring of said buisness assets would be personal wealth. Mathilde is currently flaunting that oath with her shares.
 
Wow, would you look at that, they would take that belt away from us if we presented it as a reason for us to be allowed to play with forbidden magics. And they would be totally right to do it, because in this case, Matilda clearly went mad with power and shouldn't be allowed to have a justification to dabble in Chaos. I see no reason why would they do so if present it as it is, a tool for us to be more safe if we fuck up our magic and get showered in Dhar.

Or a tool that allows Mathilde to operate in contaminated environement without coming out with more eyes or limbs than she went in with.

Not if you were say drawing a sallary for it no, but if you wanted to go into business in order to pay said crippling debt (like we actually did) it would diasllow it since the acquiring of said buisness assets would be personal wealth. Mathilde is currently flaunting that oath with her shares.

Influence over the EIC can easily be spun as being of direct and practical use for an agent of the Grey College. The dividends are merely an incidental benefit that she reinvests into other things that are also directly useful.

It's not as if she's a Gold Wizard having the best tailors of the Empire make her robes of spun platinum while dining on the finest foods and imported Bretonnian wine.
 
Each of the colleges works quite differently. You can't really just group them up.

Gold Wizards: Gold wizards tend to be wealthy as fuck and they tend to recruit from older students who are already experienced in a trade such as metallurgy or alchemy. Gelt for example was an adult before he joined the college in search of greater alchemical knowledge. It's very prestigious to be a gold wizard and they own a lot of stuff including for example most of the Empire's alchemy guilds.

Jade Wizards: Jade wizards tend to be family members, typically the sons and daughters of other Jade wizards. They travel around and get rid of blights and cause easy births and great agricultural yields wherever they go.

Amber Wizards: Amber wizards do whatever the fuck they want to. They live out in the wild and nobles often try to lure them into their territory so they'll keep out infestations of greenskins and beastmen.

Grey Wizards: Grey wizards recruit from an early age to indoctrinate them in the way of the Jedi to teach them the noble ways of the Grey Wizards. They hold immense power (as in empress assassinating power) and thus are typically watched closely by their elders.

Etc. etc. Basically they're all treated differently and they all work differently. What we do know is that Mathilde has generally been treated fairly. The exceptions typically being notable and pointed out for treating Mathilde poorly, the asshole Sigmar knight chapter, Kasmir (temporarily), her home village's peasants (but they did send her to the college so yay college PR? Managing to reach even superstitous Sitrlanders in random villages), and Van Hal's daughter.
Mostly these days Mathilde seems to be celebrated as we see with Wizard Chic or Jack's respect.

High atop the streets of Wurtbad, a shadowed figure runs along the rooftops, leaping from one to the other, the evening fog muffling his sounds. The route was carefully mapped in advance, and he had timed it perfectly so that he could pass unnoticed. He reached his destination without trouble, a townhouse near the Castle - and far from the two townhouses that everyone in Wurtbad's criminal community knew not to touch. With a grin of triumph, he reached into the sheath at his belt for his trusty crowbar made of blackened steel-

The window was already open.

He hesitated, but stiffened his resolve, slipping the crowbar back into the sheath on his belt. After a moment of thought, he reached to the other sheath and confirmed the presence of his sword. He slowly bent down to peer into the room, searching for anyone standing guard. Clear - nobody waiting for him. He relaxed. A careless servant, perhaps. He slipped through the window soundlessly and into the sitting room, and suddenly, in full view of the window, where he knew he had looked and seen nobody, was a slight figure all in grey, wreathed in the evening fog that rolled in through the window to curl around her almost lovingly.

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"The Dämmerlichtreiter," the man breathes.

You blink in surprise at him. "The what now?" You had been prepared for all sorts of reactions, but not calling you that.

He stares, wild-eyed, pointing accusingly. "You! The Rider of Dusk! The woman who rides the coming of night across Stirland, bringing ruin to the enemies of the Hunter-Count!"

You stare back, and a delighted smile spreads across your face. "I mean... gosh. I hadn't realized people had been noticing. The Rider of Dusk? That's... wow." You bask for a moment, but duty calls. "Anyway. Not why I'm here."

The man's hand edged toward his sword, but an indecisive moment later away from it. "I will not resist the will of Stirland."

"What? No, I mean, yes, technically, but I'm not here to arrest you or anything. In fact, go ahead and rob them, they haven't paid taxes since '62. I'm here to offer you a job."

The man thinks that over, and relaxes somewhat. "Okay. What's the item?"

"Oh, not that sort of job. Meet me at the Golden Eagle Inn at dawn tomorrow, and we can discuss it." You walk past the man, patting him on the shoulder as you go, and climb out the window. You can feel his eyes on your back as you climb down empty air like a flight of stairs, and can't keep from grinning at how thoroughly you nailed that dramatic exit.

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The man sits at your table as you work your way through your morning sausages. You glance across at him as you chew. Jack Albright, career thief and a damn good one at that. Originally of Marienburg, but attracted too much attention to himself and now on a protracted tour of the Empire. Charismatic, well-travelled, skilled in a variety of thieving arts and possessing of strong morals. You smile across at him. "Good morning. You look tired."

"I didn't sleep well," he mutters.

"The night before an interview," you nod understandingly. "Don't be too put out with your Fence. He would have warned you if he had remembered me." You smile at the wild-eyed look you get from him. "So, I take it you've heard of news with the Watch?"

He looks around the inn nervously - it's usually crowded, but not this early, and there's nobody within earshot. He lowers his voice anyway. "You're fighting the War Below."

"The War Below," you say musingly. Overly dramatic name for fighting against vermin and smugglers, but it has a nice ring to it. "The Watch is looking for an new leader. Ideally, someone with the creativity and inside knowledge to bring it success as it expands across Stirland."

"You want me to betray those I work with," he mutters.

"If I thought you would, you wouldn't be worth hiring. Besides, I envision the Watch as an organization with it's attention elsewhere." As you talk, you dip a finger in your mug of small beer and draw an X on the table. Jack looks down at it thoughtfully as you wipe your mouth with a napkin, and then you place the napkin atop the X. "There are many threats to the good order of Stirland and the Empire, and a few thieves are the very least of them."

"I... think I understand," he says.

"Good. I'll give you some time to think it over - I've got to interview another candidate in Steinbachthal tomorrow morning, so if you're willing drop by my townhouse the day after, where I'll be receiving visitors." He stares at you, likely mentally calculating the distances, and you smile again. Being a wizard was so fun, sometimes. "Have a nice day."
 
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Not if you were say drawing a sallary for it no, but if you wanted to go into business in order to pay said crippling debt (like we actually did) it would diasllow it since the acquiring of said buisness assets would be personal wealth. Mathilde is currently flaunting that oath with her shares.
Welcome to legal fiction. Dame Mathilde and Magister Mathilde are not considered to be the "same" person. What Magister Mathilde is not allowed to have due to her vow of poverty, Dame Mathilde is allowed to have in order to better provide for her fief and uphold her obligations to Stirland and the Empire.

It is as narrow of a line as one can make, but taking or prosecuting Dame Mathilde for Magister Mathilde's vow of poverty would be acting out against a properly knighted member of the peerage of Stirland who is doing their best to provide for their fief and uphold their oaths. Which given that the Colleges of Magic aren't supposed to act against the Empire would/could be breaking the articles of magic, unless they found some reason why Dame Mathilde was subverting the Empire or being a traitor.

Quite frankly, it's not worth the trouble to the Grey Order at the moment, but that could change. So let's not make it worth the Grey Order's trouble.
 
Granted, becoming the human Avatar of Greenskin Cunnin is just about the biggest middle finger you could possibly give to Sigmar, God of Fuck Greenskins.
Greenskin Brutality here. Gork is being whorshipped as Cunning only by the black orc that just got shanked by magic ninja great sword MC channeled Mork by accident. I don't think Mork even noticed it was a humie that got the power boost there. Just saw someone going 'Great Sword! Apply directly to the FOREHEAD!' and went with apply it harder as an option. No this shouldn't have really worked... but WAGH! literally exists to not care about what other think. It does things the WAGH! way because its WAGH! in the first place.
We'll try, at least.

Nonzero chance that Mathilde will lose her grasp of sheer orc energy incarnate and accidentally explode something in the vicinity.
Not much different from letting it go out of control really. Not much different than trying to dump it in the mountain. Dwarf runing the energy is most likely to set the fortress on fire for the next month or so. Which will suck for the rangers still inside.

I think this is more of a question about how we want it to explode on average.
*Because let's be honest, Waaaagh is the sort of thing that you can't control, only direct

It isn't a likely scenario nor is it probably a good one, but I would find it immensely satisfying.
Best option there is he taints it and dumps into the Citadel WAGH! field and all the greenskins spontaneously turn into Dwarf Fortress cats. So every time a dwarf approaches the Citadel they get adopted by half a dozen cats that reproduce by spores and bard tales get more silly.

That or MC goes into a strange mood and sneaks off and turns all the treasure into hundreds of pairs of extremely fancy, mismatched socks made of metal covered woven tales of dwarfs history often focused on completely random events and some socks reference the time a mage accidentally absorbed a WAGH! field and started turning treasure into legendary quality socks.

Okay I could see a option where the dwarven rune gets involved and MC accidentally burns down the Citadel by turning the WAGH! field there into endless flames out of nowhere... but I'm pretty sure that would break the belt. Would be hillarious to see the reaction of the dwarves and the guys that think she is a commissar to 'and then I redirected the massive WAGH!splosion into the nearby fortress and Mork thought that was amazing and wouldn't stop offering me a job. Gork threw a massive pity party using tiny teacups full of green flames and I'd decided other people should have to figure out how to take that... now I'm going to get drunk and forget today even happened.'
 
Welcome to legal fiction. Dame Mathilde and Magister Mathilde are not considered to be the "same" person. What Magister Mathilde is not allowed to have due to her vow of poverty, Dame Mathilde is allowed to have in order to better provide for her fief and uphold her obligations to Stirland and the Empire.

It is as narrow of a line as one can make, but taking or prosecuting Dame Mathilde for Magister Mathilde's vow of poverty would be acting out against a properly knighted member of the peerage of Stirland who is doing their best to provide for their fief and uphold their oaths. Which given that the Colleges of Magic aren't supposed to act against the Empire would/could be breaking the articles of magic, unless they found some reason why Dame Mathilde was subverting the Empire or being a traitor.

Quite frankly, it's not worth the trouble to the Grey Order at the moment, but that could change. So let's not make it worth the Grey Order's trouble.
Besides, we're part of the grey college. If we don't thrive on legal grey areas, then we're doing it wrong.
 
Greenskin Brutality here. Gork is being whorshipped as Cunning only by the black orc that just got shanked by magic ninja great sword MC channeled Mork by accident. I don't think Mork even noticed it was a humie that got the power boost there. Just saw someone going 'Great Sword! Apply directly to the FOREHEAD!' and went with apply it harder as an option. No this shouldn't have really worked... but WAGH! literally exists to not care about what other think. It does things the WAGH! way because its WAGH! in the first place.
You've got this backwards - Gork is Cunning Brutality (Brutality) while Mork is Brutal Cunning (Cunning). We killed the Black Orc attempting to become the Prophet of only Gork, a force of pure Brutality, and in doing so usurped the attention/power of Mork from Skarsnik, who would have been the Prophet of Only Mork, a force of pure Cunning.

As for the vote...

[X] You are a faithful of Ranald, being in the right place at the right time to unbalance the scales. Try to steal the energies.

It's got to be Ranald. I'm hoping this does involve us trying to steal the power for ourself, with Ranald taking a cut for helping us out. I suspect the exact interpretation will come down to the dice roll, though.
 
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Welcome to legal fiction. Dame Mathilde and Magister Mathilde are not considered to be the "same" person. What Magister Mathilde is not allowed to have due to her vow of poverty, Dame Mathilde is allowed to have in order to better provide for her fief and uphold her obligations to Stirland and the Empire.

It is as narrow of a line as one can make, but taking or prosecuting Dame Mathilde for Magister Mathilde's vow of poverty would be acting out against a properly knighted member of the peerage of Stirland who is doing their best to provide for their fief and uphold their oaths. Which given that the Colleges of Magic aren't supposed to act against the Empire would/could be breaking the articles of magic, unless they found some reason why Dame Mathilde was subverting the Empire or being a traitor.

Quite frankly, it's not worth the trouble to the Grey Order at the moment, but that could change. So let's not make it worth the Grey Order's trouble.

This is nothing more or less than legalized corruption and a sign of systemic failure.
 
Stepping in here to note that if any Dwarfs had even the inkling of a suspicion that humans were trying to learn Rune magic, there would be a Dwarf Waaagh.

That's not what I was talking about. I was saying that if the College passes it around to whoever needed it most at any moment the belt would produce more good than it sitting with Mathilde who doesn't make as intensive use of it.

This is nothing more or less than legalized corruption and a sign of systemic failure.

Or a sign that the Grey Order is flexible in how it interprets the letter of words as long as the spirit is adhered to, which is that a Grey Wizard should dedicate themselves to the greater good not on personal self-aggrandisement. I think the rules boil down to 'don't take the piss'. You can toe the line if you have a good justification, but you can't cross it. A selfish/solipsistic Grey WIzard could be a terrible thing even if they never became corrupted in the slightest.

The Grey Wizards are the most capable of instituting a secret magocracy in the Empire, and the other powers that be would really prefer that didn't happen.
 
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Of course! They've had several centuries to get started on that theological change! Where is it? Where are their efforts? Where is that gradual spread of updated dogma?

They've had Conclaves, arguments of the faith, time to debate it and try various things... And they did nothing.

Furthermore, I'll ask a lore question for people who know more about WHFB than I do : do you know of any references to such an updated dogma existing, to fit in with the new laws? AFAIK there is none, and the better attitude of Altdorf's citizens towards wizards is entirely due to daily proximity to wizards who don't make every horror story come true every day when they walk around in the street, as well as knowledge of the fact that local law enforcement will defend their basic right to exist.


Here's an example: why is Mathilde required to serve? Let's acknowledge the fact that keeping tabs on all these potential mages is necessary : while it's unlikely they would have become actual problems (most potential mages never learn to control their powers and basically never use them), rogue Dhar users are problems.
Why is it necessary to weaponise them? Couldn't you train up the ones who want to be heroes, and let the others live their lives as civilians? I'd understand requiring them to live in a certain area so they can be regularly checked on, for example.

But kidnapping them and raising them as weapons for the Empire isn't exactly the most morally correct stance.

Still, I will agree that the Colleges aren't Evil or anything. They're pretty great, considering the alternatives! And they do try to make things better!
It's the other imperial institutions that are really a problem here. The College is the good cop, they're the bad cop : of course the bad cop is worse! And what else could the good cop do? At least his promises of a reduce sentence if you play along are real!
I love when the smart ones come out to play. Or do i just love exclamation points?
 
Or a sign that the Grey Order is flexible in how it interprets the letter of words as long as the spirit is adhered to, which is that a Grey Wizard should dedicate themselves to the greater good not on personal self-aggrandisement. I think the rules boil down to 'don't take the piss'. A selfish/solipsistic Grey WIzard could be a terrible thing even if they never became corrupted in the slightest.

The Grey Wizards are the most capable of instituting a secret magocracy in the Empire, and the other powers that be would really prefer that didn't happen.

The words 'the greater good' fill me with a great deal of suspicion. Whose greater good? The Empire's? What if they are being abusive, foolish or tyranical (which they are in various ways constantly)? What if they are at war with another uncorrected power?

The fact of the matter is that at the end of the day Grey Wizards, just like everyone else, are responsible for their own morality and compelling them to poverty builds nothing but resentment.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Grey College schtick is being all sneaky sneaky and being like that could lead to some horrifying implications if they are not properly controlled. Like for example, having blackmails for very important people or assassinating people for willy nilly reasons. Stuff that is like second nature for Grey Wizards. So, wouldn't it make sense for the College to curb any intention of abusing their power for selfish means, such as you know, hoarding large amount of wealth for their own lonesome self. Sure, it does make stuff like the vow of poverty to sound really unfair, but in context, it does make sense. Also, I feel that the colleges will only care when one of their own break that rule in a very obvious manner, such as hiring a personal death squad or buying a large mansion using their probably (definitely) dubious income. Stuff that will give the college a bad name and something they will need to deal with or else they gonna get in trouble.

Also, in regards to the vote, I felt that calling forth Ranald is one of the more safer option. Grounding the magic might destroy the mountain, which will make a lot of unhappy dwarves. Just enduring it doesn't sound that safe and it's also kind of lame. Using the dwarve belt might work, but we might lose it and it would be beneficial for us to avoid losing our sick relatively new magic belt. Accepting Mork voodoo magic stuff, sounds funny and cool. Though I rather not alienate our dwarf bros and have motherfucking Kragg the Grim smash us silly for it. So, with that, we reach the option with Ranald. I'm not saying it's 100% safe and it can easily backfire on us. But in the same time, out of all the options, I feel that this one is the only one that we are getting direct help. Sure, Ranald is not the most powerful god around, but he is still a god nonetheless and a help from a god that favors Mathilde seems like a pretty good choice. Also, regards to Mathilde character, I also found it fitting since Mathilde is already halfway to becoming his priest. She was friends with two of Ranald's priest, Ranald likes her enough, got involved in Gambling bro vs. Shark douche, she put Ranald icon all over the Stirland watch base or something like it, and she calls him when she needed help the most. Calling for Ranald help here, when she facing some divine level bullshit, seems pretty fitting for her character, at least from how I see it.
 
Besides, we're part of the grey college. If we don't thrive on legal grey areas, then we're doing it wrong.
Besides, besides the Grey Order almost certainly knows we've been bending our vows of poverty in order to see how far it goes without breaking and they haven't said a thing about it. If Matthilde was in ANY trouble becasue she had money than I think they would have dropped some hints like they did with the magister thing.

And do people really think that the Colleges of magic would take something given to someone by Kragg the 'I-made-magic-my-bitch-while-you-humans-where-still-dancing-around-stones-in-the-nude'? also known as, Kragg the 'Whenever-I'm-around-Mathilde-describes-her-magic-as-crying-in-a-corner'? and Kragg the 'I-broke-down-a-fortess-door-with-no-more-effort-than-I'd-put-into-making-a-horseshoe-if-I-made-horseshoes'? and occasioanly known to the dwarfs as Kragg the Curmudgeon.
 
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This is nothing more or less than legalized corruption and a sign of systemic failure.
It's not though. This is a convoluted mess of two systems interacting when they were never meant to interact. Especially in regards to the Grey Order.

Furthermore, while I suppose it's not impossible for there to be a legalized corruption, it is almost impossible. By definition, corruption is dishonest or fraudulent conduct by those in power. There is no possible way for there to be legalized fraud, as fraud is by its nature an illegal activity. There could be legalized dishonesty, but that is not the case here.

Everybody knows what is going on, everything is above board, we aren't hiding anything. There is no dishonesty here, as we are being perfectly honest regarding our two differing obligations. There's no fraud either, as we are not wrongfully or criminally deceiving anyone.
 
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