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A Twisted Flower (Bleach Reincarnation Quest)

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[X][Favored] Reishi Manipulation: The ability to draw out one's power and put it to use is the difference between a merely 'average' Shinigami and the future heroes of the Gotei. However, it is a skill that will not necessarily aid one in any particular area.
[X][Unfavored] Hohō
 
[X][Favored] Reishi Manipulation: The ability to draw out one's power and put it to use is the difference between a merely 'average' Shinigami and the future heroes of the Gotei. However, it is a skill that will not necessarily aid one in any particular area.
[X][Unfavored] Hohō
 
[X] Reishi Manipulation: The ability to draw out one's power and put it to use is the difference between a merely 'average' Shinigami and the future heroes of the Gotei. However, it is a skill that will not necessarily aid one in any particular area.
[X] Hohō
 
What happened to hallow and Zangetsu? I thought it canon his zanpakto was fused with inner hallow, is it not happened with nejibana?
 
I'm not sure why people want to ditch super speed, especially when so many of our potential foes will be fast as well. Kido wouldn't do much if we can't even hit the target.

Plus, our enemies could always counter it or break free. Sure, true for anything, but there's no special universal "useless now" counter-technique for hitting really fast and hard.
 
Kkutlord said:
I'm not sure why people want to ditch super speed, especially when so many of our potential foes will be fast as well. Kido wouldn't do much if we can't even hit the target.

Plus, our enemies could always counter it or break free. Sure, true for anything, but there's no special universal "useless now" counter-technique for hitting really fast and hard.
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Yes there is. It's called Kido.
 
DarkKing98 said:
Well something has to give, otherwise nothing should ever be focused on besides speed. Especially when you can precast defensive Kido, such as when Aizen no sells Yoruichi's speed.
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Seeing as Kaien wasnt in the kido corp and we have no access to the libraries. Wed have to neglect further training SOLEY for kido and hope it matches up to centuries of work. Not to mention were physically slower than we were since most lieutenants and captains are CRAZY fast and Ichigo at this point struggled agianst RENJI. We need speed to not get killed by stronger opponents Zaraki to keep up with most lietenant and above combatants (which is the majority of antagonists)
 
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Ave Anathema said:
Seeing as Kaien wasnt in the kido corp and we have no access to the libraries. Wed have to neglect further training SOLEY for kido and hope it matches up to centuries of work. Not to mention were physically slower than we were since most lieutenants and captains are CRAZY fast and Ichigo at this point struggled agianst RENJI. We need speed to not get killed by stronger opponents Zaraki to keep up with most lietenant and above combatants (which is the majority of antagonists)
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You mean the same Renji that was literal days away from getting his Bankai?

Besides, if our stats are getting reseted, the same exact thing applies to speed as well. Along with every other stat.
 
DarkKing98 said:
You mean the same Renji that was literal days away from getting his Bankai?

Besides, if our stats are getting reseted, the same exact thing applies to speed as well. Along with every other stat.
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THe same guy who got his ass whooped by Aizens arrancars. Hell Ichigo got lucky to have the right things happen to get his series of Power Boosts and Speed is a lot more effective in dodging a zaraki chop than kido is in stopping it.
 
[X][favored] Kidō
[X][unfavored] Hohō

Trying to pick what would be in character with kaien and I think it's more likely he's better at kido than hoho(even though he uses neither when he fights rukia in HM iirc) simply because the shibas seem to practice their own homebrew kido spells so he'd at least have passing familiarity if not decent experience.
 
Ave Anathema said:
THe same guy who got his ass whooped by Aizens arrancars. Hell Ichigo got lucky to have the right things happen to get his series of Power Boosts and Speed is a lot more effective in dodging a zaraki chop than kido is in stopping it.
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A kido blast can send Zaraki backwards.

Honestly, I get what you're trying to do. But Zaraki is one of the three worst possible examples you can use. Because the man is Captain level without a Shikai. Hell, he's arguably one of the strongest Captains in the entire series. Without his Shikai and Bankai.

Honestly, again, something needs to give, otherwise you just make every field but speed utterly useless.
 
I'm not going to influence people to vote any which way. I will say that, while there will be some maluses to stats at first because of adjusting to Ichigo's body and such, Kaien won't be utter crap at anything but Hakuda. To be a Lieutenant requires at least a passing familiarity with Shunpo, just looking at the others. If a skill is unfavored, that primarily means it will be much more difficult to grind it. And that you won't be as good at is as the other skills.

(Also: Renji isn't a great example either way. He gave a decent enough showing against Byakuya, acknowledging that neither time they fought- during the Rukia rescue, or the Zanpakuto Rebellion filler -was Byakuya taking it entirely serious. It is possible to fight a speedster without being as fast yourself.

Hell, Ichigo demonstrates this, with the amount of times he gets smacked silly by people who aren't as fast as him but are stronger.)

EDIT: Also, no stat gets a flat reset. The maluses are temporary, and Kaien will rebound eventually to Lieutenant level in all of his stats, excepting Hakuda.
 
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[X][Favored] Reishi Manipulation: The ability to draw out one's power and put it to use is the difference between a merely 'average' Shinigami and the future heroes of the Gotei. However, it is a skill that will not necessarily aid one in any particular area.

[X][Unfavored] Kidō
 
[X][Favored] Reishi Manipulation: The ability to draw out one's power and put it to use is the difference between a merely 'average' Shinigami and the future heroes of the Gotei. However, it is a skill that will not necessarily aid one in any particular area.

[X][Unfavored] Kidō
 
My reasoning is that Reishi Manipulation is a foundational skill that should enhance things like Kido and even Hoho.

I don't mind never being so good at Hoho we don't have the special tricks (the after-images galore, the "shed your coat" thing, etc), but I'd wager we can still up our speed in time, and do so effectively enough.

Meanwhile, favoring RM and not disfavoring Kido, in my mind, ought to let us efficiently cast Kido, just not necessarily tons and tons of them, or the higher-level ones. But I could see/justify that combo as letting us fast-cast, say, Level 20s or lower Kido without an incantation, and have it be at least 50-60% as effective. And after the first one hits, you just keep layering them on...
 
Kido certainly has a ton of utility value, though between the casting time & incantations they aren't very good for regular combat use (surprise attacks and battle dominance are better for it). Even if you ditch the incantation (which weakens it greatly), you still need a minimum skill level for it to work at all.

Given all the shenanigans that is Ichigo, we could probably manage energy attacks in time regardless of Kido. So that really only leaves Barriers and Healing, though Kaien/Ichigo personally should be fine defense-wise.
 
Since its only a temporary malus thats even more a reason to put it into hoho since we'll get a quicker return on reishi and kido
 
@Skywalker_T-65: Exactly how difficult would it be to remove Unfavored status? 125% XP Cost really adds up, and discourages us from improving affected skills. Hmm, actually... what would we start off with, if Kido is neutral or Favored?

If we don't actually have any Kido to cast or anything, then it doesn't sound very useful. Especially since we're currently antagonistic towards the Gotei 13, wanting to save Rukia from her execution. So not many options to be taught Kido.
 
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