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The Singers-Rachni Quest (Mass Effect with XCOM elements)

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Manperor_32 said:
Ok im not about to argue about this because overall it would be a stupid and ineffectual argument but yes the council is SLIGHTLY useful but imagine the things that could go right (I know things could go wrong) If the council wasn't there making decisions for races and allowing them to follow there own path.
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Pretty sure that races can mostly make their own rules and follow their own path. It's just that a handful of people decide which rules apply to everyone and even then not everyone needs to join them considering that they tend to leave the Terminus systems alone. Hell, that's pretty much politics in general since the job of politicians is to make rules fo societies to make sure that said societies run. People may hate politicians in general but it can't be denied that without politicians societies wouldn't be able to function.
 
Red Bovine said:
Pretty sure that races can mostly make their own rules and follow their own path. It's just that a handful of people decide which rules apply to everyone and even then not everyone needs to join them considering that they tend to leave the Terminus systems alone. Hell, that's pretty much politics in general since the job of politicians is to make rules fo societies to make sure that said societies run. People may hate politicians in general but it can't be denied that without politicians societies wouldn't be able to function.
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That's not what I have a problem with I understand that society needs to run I really do. But i'd rather not have some one not of my species deciding that.
 
the protheans are a prime example of what happens when theirs not a council they subsumed everyone they could and force there cultural views and laws on all of them and if they didn't tow the line they where killed off
 
Manperor_32 said:
That's not what I have a problem with I understand that society needs to run I really do. But i'd rather not have some one not of my species deciding that.
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Thing is that I don't think most races would really care that much whether the main council aren't part of their race. They'd care more that they their own people aren't part of the main group. Imagine a nation consisting of multiple aliens with a wide variety of races living mixed together. At that point it would be like a country filled with multiple ethnicities, no one really cares if say the governor of a state isn't part of their race as long as they are actually good at their jobs.

Hell, I remember reading a sci fi series where a council like organization was run solely by a race of aliens that were considered the most fair and unbiased ones of a coalition of aliens consisting of multiple governments voted for it because their own people were sick of their governments consisting of politicians who were only into politics to benefit themselves and not being as interested in the little guy as they should be so everyone decided to vote for the one race that is actually the best at running governments to run the council like government.

So in a galactic coalition consisting of multiple alien governments with the galactic population consisting of trillions with maybe millions of politicians something like the Council which is pretty much like the UN sort of makes sense. Also again, they don't make every single law that the other members use for their own governments. They just make a few laws that would apply on a galactic scale and IIRC they are pretty few.
 
Red Bovine said:
Thing is that I don't think most races would really care that much whether the main council aren't part of their race. They'd care more that they their own people aren't part of the main group. Imagine a nation consisting of multiple aliens with a wide variety of races living mixed together. At that point it would be like a country filled with multiple ethnicities, no one really cares if say the governor of a state isn't part of their race as long as they are actually good at their jobs.

Hell, I remember reading a sci fi series where a council like organization was run solely by a race of aliens that were considered the most fair and unbiased ones of a coalition of aliens consisting of multiple governments voted for it because their own people were sick of their governments consisting of politicians who were only into politics to benefit themselves and not being as interested in the little guy as they should be so everyone decided to vote for the one race that is actually the best at running governments to run the council like government.

So in a galactic coalition consisting of multiple alien governments with the galactic population consisting of trillions with maybe millions of politicians something like the Council which is pretty much like the UN sort of makes sense. Also again, they don't make every single law that the other members use for their own governments. They just make a few laws that would apply on a galactic scale and IIRC they are pretty few.
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Do you really believe that alien races would actually be like that? Humans can barely get along with there own species what makes you think complete other species would all come together and go on to become a big force? No the most likely outcome of that is that one small star nation will be sort of like that would constantly be racked with strife and constantly be on the verge of collapse.

It's hard enough for people of the same ethnicity to get along politician or not.
 
Manperor_32 said:
Do you really believe that alien races would actually be like that? Humans can barely get along with there own species what makes you think complete other species would all come together and go on to become a big force? No the most likely outcome of that is that one small star nation will be sort of like that would constantly be racked with strife and constantly be on the verge of collapse.

It's hard enough for people of the same ethnicity to get along politician or not.
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Think you are overestimating how hard it is for people of different ethnicities to get along. It largely depends on where they are from. I've been to places where you can see stuff like Pride festivals with whites, blacks and hispanics getting along without much issue. And we see in canon with places like the Terminus systems like Omega that despite being a hive of villainy has multiple races getting along even if there are some issues from time to time.

It's like comparing rural areas to cities. With rural areas you have isolated people that aren't that comfortable with outsiders while with cities you have many different kinds of people and the people living in said cities are just used to all the variety.
 
Red Bovine said:
Think you are overestimating how hard it is for people of different ethnicities to get along. It largely depends on where they are from. I've been to places where you can see stuff like Pride festivals with whites, blacks and hispanics getting along without much issue. And we see in canon with places like the Terminus systems like Omega that despite being a hive of villainy has multiple races getting along even if there are some issues from time to time.

It's like comparing rural areas to cities. With rural areas you have isolated people that aren't that comfortable with outsiders while with cities you have many different kinds of people and the people living in said cities are just used to all the variety.
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I mean, it really depends (like all things involving cultures not your own) on the situation and relationship and history of the different cultures, or in this case, the different species. If neither of them have a history of doing horrible things to each other, (or things that one of them consider to be horrible) then there isn't much of an obstacle for them to get along. This is especially so when each of the different species exist in 'modern' society. Considering we know OOCly the history of the citadel races, we know that they didnt really act like colossal douches to each other in such a way that would prevent them from signing on to the Council. Even the Humans wanted in, because the Council space was so much bigger than theirs, that it was inevitable humans would be drawn into their sphere.
 
New reader reporting in. For the swarm!

Destroying the Council just because we don't like them sounds both morally terrible and practically infeasible, as we'd have to fight the entire Galaxy to do it, and there is a significant chance there would be Krogan without the Genophage to wipe us out again. Also we'd have to fight Shepard and crew, if they survive the Reaper war. That's just a non-starter.
 
We are in a time of finals in several universities. It is possible the author is busy with his life so can we not demand to know things please??? I'm fairly sure you necro this as well since it has been more than two weeks since last post. THis kind of things are asked via PM.
 
There is usually a warning at the bottom of the text box if posting will be considered necro.
 
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    • So, update on the quest.

    I haven't abandoned this thing yet, but some stuff has occurred that has made me stall on the next update.

    I had about half of the update written, but got a bit stuck on the conversation between you and Benezia. Dialogue has always been the thing I struggle with most in my writing, so I was...waffling on how to go about it, especially since Nez is a character we only actually see on screen very briefly and don't know too much about personality-wise. That combined with some stuff yall have said and my own thoughts have made me second-guess my decision to have Benezia be the one you got from the facility.

    Plus, when SV did their big redesign, I somehow lost what I had been working on, despite having copy-pasted it into the new site after refreshing the old page into the new format. sigh

    Anyway.

    I've been giving it some thought, and I wanted to ask you all for your opinion on something and put it to a vote.

    Would you like to keep Benezia as the Asari body you grabbed, or swap her for the other option I had, the Asari Commando you first used to talk to Shepard in the intro? The other Asari wouldn't be able to provide as much information about the Reapers or the current state of the galaxy (though you won't lose anything you've already learned or gained from Nez), and wouldn't have the hidden Assets Benezia could access if you brought her back, but she also wouldn't be as recognizable as Benezia, and would be easier for me to write dialogue for as she'd basically be an OC.

    So, would you all like to:

    [] Keep things as they are
    [] Switch Asari

    I'll go back and make changes to the previous updates if you decide to switch, and as I said, everything you've already gotten won't be affected. Let me know what you all think.
     
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    • [X] Keep things as they are

    It's not to bad, you should be able to get by. Benezia seemed someone dedicated to her work, reserved, meticulous. A careful planner for the long term, caught out by an enemy beyond her imagination.
     
    Beyond the short conversation Shepard has with her and Liara wanting to get out of her shadow, Benezia has no defined character. She was also under mind control for quite some time, then died. You can write her as basically an OC because she is basically an OC.
     
    JOJOBRN makes a good point of Benezia being mostly an OC already. Not only do we barely see her, the indoctrination-death-resurrection ordeal is sure to impact her a lot.

    If for some reason you strongly disagree and don't want to write Benezia, then by all means switch. But if it were up to me, I'd say

    [x] Keep things as they are
     
    [x] Keep things as they are

    You did this since it had a lot of potential as a story propelling hook. That hasn't changed from being true.

    You did well with the Council's point of view look, I have faith in you.

    Sides, you can't get better with your weaknesses if you don't try to wrestle past them. So suffer in the fire to become better!
     
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