Tohjo Military University [Pokémon]

Kotone's Starter Choice


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[X] Talk to Silver and Leaf. (1 Day)
→ [X] Touch base, and start making joint plans. Discuss any preparations that need to be done.
→ [X] Raise the possibility of immobilising Kangashkan with a trap and tranquilising it with darts, and using a combination of a snare and electroparalysis/sleep powder on Nidoran, while popping a Repel to discourage help.
→ [X] Try to be patient with Leaf, and maybe even foster some team spirit. Your lives will depend on each other.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by wdango on Jun 23, 2019 at 12:28 AM, finished with 1126 posts and 15 votes.

  • [x] Talk to Silver and Leaf. (1 Day)
    → [x] Touch base, and start making joint plans. Discuss any preparations that need to be done.
    → [X] Raise the possibility of immobilising Kangashkan with a trap and tranquilising it with darts, and using a combination of a snare and electroparalysis/sleep powder on Nidoran, while popping a Repel to discourage help.
    → [x] Try to be patient with Leaf, and maybe even foster some team spirit. Your lives will depend on each other.
    [x] Study Gary's Notes (1 Day)
    → [x] Safari Zone North (Safari Area 2) (in-depth)
 
1.14 - Strategy Meeting (Part 1)
The Tohjo University Library is the pride and hallmark of your academy, holding copies of almost every Pokémon-related piece of research accumulated over the past 50 years. It also has multiple meeting rooms, and as you walk into one of them, you find Leaf swivelling around in her chair while... Gary Oak is drawing on the whiteboard with a quarter of markers in his hand.

What is he doing here..?

"Alright, we're all here!" Isn't she getting dizzy? "Strategy meeting!"

"Yup." Silver nods, gesturing for you to take a seat. "So. Since none of us are that strong academically, I got Gary to help us check for blind spots."

That's just like Silver, but... you're not sure you're that comfortable with it. And it looks like Gary's definitely doing more than just 'checking for blind spots'. But what the heck. You'll roll with it. "I am okay with this."

"So you're all confirmed for Kangaskhan, Nidoran, and... Oddish, right?" Gary peers over his shoulder at you, and now that you pay attention to the whiteboard... are those detailed diagrams of your three Starters..? Wow.

Act cool, Koto. Act cool.

Silver waves a hand in front of your face. "Koto? You've settled on Oddish, right?"

"Um, Oddish, yep." You quickly take the seat next to Silver. "That's the one."

"Good pick." Gary smiles, capping his markers and putting them down on the table. "A Poison-type always comes in handy, just like I was telling Silver. If you can evolve it, Vileplume and Bellossom are long-lived, too, which makes it a great pick for a Starter. Nice to finally meet you, by the way. Silver's been telling me a lot about you."

"Thanks." STAY. COOL. "You too."

"Right, down to business, Gary?" And Silver to the rescue. Thanks, buddy.

"Alright. Since Nidoran and Oddish are both pretty common, I assume you're going to want to get those two captures out of the way first?"

"Uh-huh," Leaf answers for you, which isn't really her place since you haven't discussed it yet, but Gary still looks at you for confirmation.

You nod. "I'm fine with that."

"Leaf, do you maybe want to stop spinning? It's a little bit distracting."

"Fiiiine." She pouts, but does stop, rolling her chair over to the table and next to you. "Ooh, dizzy."

Shaking his head with a wry smile, Gary continues. "Let's talk about Oddish first, then. What do you have?"

"Right, um. I'm not going for a combat capture, that's for sure." You don't want to attract the attention of every predator in the vicinity with your gunshots or its screaming, after all. "Since Oddish are common, we should be able to find a suitable one just by following the telltale patches of discoloured soil. Find one during the hours before dawn, and then start the capture once it's settled down to sleep."

You start to explain the details on how you'll pick out the Oddish you want to capture, since you've decided you want a stronger specimen that's closer to evolution. The diagram on the whiteboard really helps.

Leaf is surprisingly paying close attention without interrupting, and despite the awkwardness of having three of your peers (including Gary Oak) listening so intently to what you're saying, you continue. You describe your precautions against its leaves and poison, and your plan to infuse fast-acting fertiliser with Sleep Powder.

"I also have calculations for the dosage of Sleep Powder needed to make sure it stays asleep for about ten minutes, which should guarantee a capture," you finish.

"That's a pretty good plan, although you probably don't need to dig it up or restrain it, if things go well. Drug it to sleep, and then Pokéball its exposed leaves. That will save you time and energy, too." Gary hums. "Have you considered inducing its hibernative autotomy by agitating its leaves during the day?"

"That's the backup plan if the Sleep Powder doesn't work, but it'll be harder to find it and dig it up if it does that."

"And I thought you were the worst student amongst all of us." Silver smiles at you, and the pride swelling up in your chest forces you to give him a punch in the arm.

"Shush," you say. You're not embarrassed, nope.

"Looks like you're set for that, then. What about you, Silver?"

Now that you're out of the hot seat, you sigh -- half in relief, half in disappointment -- and turn your attention to Silver.

"We need to find a wandering group of Nidoran without any of its evolved forms around. But if we can find a lone one, even better. Male or female doesn't really matter to me. Snipe the target from afar with a tranq, and then track it until it drops, which should take about an hour, and last for another half. Kotone should be able to use it effectively at around 200 metres, right?"

You nod. "Not a problem. I'm not carrying that extra 3kg or so, though."

"I'll carry it. Anyway, if it ends up around other Nidoran, suppressive fire from Leaf's AR and my SMG should be able to take down the others while Kotone secures the capture. Then we'll use a Repel and quickly clear the area before any other Pokémon show up. But if there are any Nidorino or Nidorina, we'll start over with a different target."

Gary sighs. "It's more refined than what I was expecting, but Leaf was the one who came up with this plan, huh?"

"Ehehe..."

"It's good enough." Silver shrugs.

"If you want to lower the risk, you should look for one before you even enter the Safari Zone, actually." Gary peers at you. "That goes for you, too. You can find both Oddish and Nidoran even several kilometres away from the Safari Zone, and you're more likely to find lone ones. That way, you'll cut down the amount of time you'll actually be in the Safari Zone for. Just camp outside until you secure your captures, and then just head in for the Kangaskhan. You can stash the equipment you won't need to lose some weight, too, and just come back for it once you're done and back out."

"Huh. Why didn't I think of that? I'm pretty happy with that, actually. What do you think, Koto?"


[x] "He's right. Let's do that. I don't really want to risk antagonising an entire Kingdom, or stay in there any longer than I have to."
[x] "I think that's a good idea for your Nidoran, but my Oddish shouldn't be a problem."
[x] "The specimens you find outside are going to be weaker, though. And I bet it'll take us longer to find a suitable one to capture."
[x] "I don't know. What do you think, Leaf? You haven't said much so far."
[x] Write-in.
 
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[x] "He's right. Let's do that. I don't really want to risk antagonising an entire Kingdom, or stay in there any longer than I have to."

Look, Gary is just right about everything. Because he's extremely competent.
 
[x] "He's right. Let's do that. I don't really want to risk antagonising an entire Kingdom, or stay in there any longer than I have to."

"Why yes, we *are* going into the hyper-dangerous Safari Zone purely to try to keep Leaf alive, and not because it's of any real value to either of us. Why do you ask?"
 
[X] "I think that's a good idea for your Nidoran since we'd otherwise have to track it in the Safari Zone, but my Oddish shouldn't be a problem."
-[X] "But it's not like Gary's advice isn't a good idea! What do you think, Leaf? You haven't said much so far."

Wanna force Leaf to participate. Also, it sounds like Oddish complications are pretty much the same inside or outside the Zone, while Nidoran gets much, much more dangerous. I think Kotone wants that power boost, and the risk increase seems small.
 
[x] "The specimens you find outside are going to be weaker, though. And I bet it'll take us longer to find a suitable one to capture."


@wdango are Nidoran social or loners?
 
[X] "I think that's a good idea for your Nidoran since we'd otherwise have to track it in the Safari Zone, but my Oddish shouldn't be a problem."
-[X] "But it's not like Gary's advice isn't a good idea! What do you think, Leaf? You haven't said much so far."

Wanna force Leaf to participate. Also, it sounds like Oddish complications are pretty much the same inside or outside the Zone, while Nidoran gets much, much more dangerous. I think Kotone wants that power boost, and the risk increase seems small.
Oddish doesn't have any additional complications in and of itself, but it does mean pursuing the oddish (which is going to take time) in a more dangerous place. It also makes it harder to do the "dump the stash" thing where we ditch the oddish-capture gear initially and come back for it. Extra weight means that movement is slower or more tiring. Finally, while the oddish we'd get is weaker, and that is a thing, it's not an unmitigated loss. Weaker oddish means the capture is a bit more sure (to the degree that that matters) and it makes it easier to train and gain affection from. Going high affection is useful for training it to be low-stench in Gloom, and may well contribute to being able to convince it to go Belossom. Also, any weakness can be trained out of it. The thing we lose for getting a weak version initially is basically just some training time.

@wdango can I get a verify on that? My impression from what everyone's said is that the oddish we'd find outside are not fundamentally weaker - just less well-developed. Is that true, or is it the case that if we go inside the Safari Zone we're likely going to be able to get an oddish with a long-term quality advantage advantage?
 
[x] "The specimens you find outside are going to be weaker, though. And I bet it'll take us longer to find a suitable one to capture."

King of Oddish or broke. Like, the greatest Oddish in the history of Oddish. Not particularly worried about size/age, a small Oddish might be quicker and a better ninja. Instead, let's look for the Oddish with the most growth potential. Perfect IV Oddish, so to speak.

Also, have we considered witholding Oddish's evolution for a bit so we can make preparations for it to go straight to Belossom/Vileplume? We don't know if it's possible yet, because we don't know how Gloom evolve, but if we catch a particularly strong Oddish and evolve it twice in a row, we might skip the smelly plant part.
 
Oddish doesn't have any additional complications in and of itself, but it does mean pursuing the oddish (which is going to take time) in a more dangerous place. It also makes it harder to do the "dump the stash" thing where we ditch the oddish-capture gear initially and come back for it. Extra weight means that movement is slower or more tiring. Finally, while the oddish we'd get is weaker, and that is a thing, it's not an unmitigated loss. Weaker oddish means the capture is a bit more sure (to the degree that that matters) and it makes it easier to train and gain affection from. Going high affection is useful for training it to be low-stench in Gloom, and may well contribute to being able to convince it to go Belossom. Also, any weakness can be trained out of it. The thing we lose for getting a weak version initially is basically just some training time.

@wdango can I get a verify on that? My impression from what everyone's said is that the oddish we'd find outside are not fundamentally weaker - just less well-developed. Is that true, or is it the case that if we go inside the Safari Zone we're likely going to be able to get an oddish with a long-term quality advantage advantage?
Yes it's trainable.

But it might be older and weaker, which means less lifespan to attempt evolution.

If you attain Vileplume or Bellossom, which are basically immortal, it all evens out.

Are Nidoran predatory? Because I could see us using our new Oddish as bait...
Kotone has no idea tbh, but she assumes most PKMN are omnivores for some reason.

[x] "The specimens you find outside are going to be weaker, though. And I bet it'll take us longer to find a suitable one to capture."

King of Oddish or broke. Like, the greatest Oddish in the history of Oddish. Not particularly worried about size/age, a small Oddish might be quicker and a better ninja. Instead, let's look for the Oddish with the most growth potential. Perfect IV Oddish, so to speak.

Also, have we considered witholding Oddish's evolution for a bit so we can make preparations for it to go straight to Belossom/Vileplume? We don't know if it's possible yet, because we don't know how Gloom evolve, but if we catch a particularly strong Oddish and evolve it twice in a row, we might skip the smelly plant part.
Nah lol.
 
If we think about it objectively, Oddish are more prey than predator. Within the Safari Zone, they are hunted, and thus the chance of finding a developed one is actually lower, since the Oddish population undergoes regular thinning. Again, the mature Oddish which survive this environment will be all the stronger for it, with a handful of wicked fight or flight mechanisms. That top percentile Oddish will be wary, skittish, ready to bite the hand that feeds it till Kotone wins over its stone cold heart.

On the other hand, Oddish outside the Zone. We could probably find a developed one after looking around for a bit. It'll be easier to train and will probably want cuddles, and eventually become that awesome non-smelly Gloom. Outside Oddish might lack that deadly edge that the Zone Oddish has, but I think it'll be an excellent choice as a first pokemon.

Ultimately, it's a tradeoff, and I can't decide which one is better.
 
Here's my thought: we want Silver to go for outside Nidoran. He's proud. If we go for outside Oddish, he doesn't lose face by looking like the scaredy one.
 
[X] "He's right. Let's do that. I don't really want to risk antagonising an entire Kingdom, or stay in there any longer than I have to."
 
[x] "The specimens you find outside are going to be weaker, though. And I bet it'll take us longer to find a suitable one to capture."
 
[X] "He's right. Let's do that. I don't really want to risk antagonising an entire Kingdom, or stay in there any longer than I have to."
 
[x] "He's right. Let's do that. I don't really want to risk antagonising an entire Kingdom, or stay in there any longer than I have to."

Get Kotone's and Silver's starters outside the SZ, then go in for the shortest time possible. This addresses my primary concern with helping Leaf out, that we would be helping her get ahead and screwing ourselves over in the process.
 
[x] "He's right. Let's do that. I don't really want to risk antagonising an entire Kingdom, or stay in there any longer than I have to."
 
[X] "I think that's a good idea for your Nidoran since we'd otherwise have to track it in the Safari Zone, but my Oddish shouldn't be a problem."
-[X] "But it's not like Gary's advice isn't a good idea! What do you think, Leaf? You haven't said much so far."

I'm pretty split on this one. I'd prefer to minimize our risks, and Wyst brought up the point that Silver might be too proud to go for outside Nidoran if we don't go for outside Oddish (though I'm not sure he actually is too proud; I don't think he's shown that much pride thus far). At the same time, though, Oddish really is as minimal as risks get, and it might be worth it to take slightly more of a risk to get that jumpstart. Hm (...) since "he's right" is winning right now anyway, I'm gonna go for Dio's vote because it's the only one that includes the possibility of getting Leaf to actually say something and participate. :V Plus, Dio has a point that Oddish might seem easy enough to Kotone herself to take the risk of getting something stronger.
 
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[x] "I think that's a good idea for your Nidoran, but my Oddish shouldn't be a problem."
 
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