Arch-Demon's Eternal Game 3: Weren't We Just Here? (Mafia)

*Dies mid-post during which all of what I put down becomes irrelevant.*

to 1K, the biggest thing you should be doing is making a case of who would be a better lynch than you, not necessarily why you should not be the lynch. Generally the idea is the convince someone that your town but hunting scum directly. I really appreciate that your putting in some decent effort but it just needs slightly better direction.

If you transported someone last night, or were attacked last night, there is no excuse I will accept not to reveal and help us lynch a scum.

Agreed. Also battery is low, might not be here for the rest of the night, will very much try to.
 
Seven Hours and Sixteen Minutes Remaining.

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Adhoc vote count started by Nictis on Jun 9, 2019 at 10:13 PM, finished with 336 posts and 10 votes.
 
*Dies mid-post during which all of what I put down becomes irrelevant.*

to 1K, the biggest thing you should be doing is making a case of who would be a better lynch than you, not necessarily why you should not be the lynch. Generally the idea is the convince someone that your town but hunting scum directly. I really appreciate that your putting in some decent effort but it just needs slightly better direction.



Agreed. Also battery is low, might not be here for the rest of the night, will very much try to.
I wasn't exactly sure anybody would be enthused with me just trying to point the finger at someone else, so I avoided making an alternative claim.
 
You know what? Hells heralding an exploding imp can be done just as well by scum as by town, and the fact that the second transport is probably being done by scum means they probably aren't responsible. When it comes down to "scum was roleblocked but has hells herald" and "town transporter redirected scum attack into themselves and then got culted" I know what I'm suspicious of. I want a claim out of @Cyricubed .
 
I'd say that Pawn Lelouch is certainly the most suspicious player, and that does make me somewhat apprehensive. Sure, they could be the one with the firestarter, or scum, but they're almost too suspicious, particularly on the whole 'Absum has the firestarter' thing. They could be another explosive imp trying to get themselves lynched. Previously I wasn't all that woried, given the low odds of things and how I wasn't sure anyone was really playing like they were gonna get lynched.now, I'm a little more concerned.
 
At the same time, I feel like Cyri is someone to look at. Hell's Herald can be picked up by scum, so it's not like they are cleared just by that. They're still pretty likely to be scum, given they were roped on a night with no kills. They are still a very valid lynch target and I think we let Absum distract away from them too much. Very specific things would have had to happen in just the right way for Cyri to not be scum, and the likelihood of everything falling together isn't zero, but it's not great.
 
*Clicks Who Replied*
*Sees self at top with 96 posts*
*Sees Comi at 69 posts*

But I've mostly been memeing, why am I still the top poster? :V

(Might take a nap if I want to be up for the final few hours. In my experience things tend to go to hell if I'm not there)
 
I personally like the idea of lynching Pawn right about now, we do have Cyricubed primed for destruction if Pawn isn't the Firestarter.
I'd be fine with a Pawn Lynch. We have 7 hours, this is NOT me trying to make a tie. If nobody else switches or votes in the next few hours, I'll null my vote.

[X] Lynch Pawn Lelouch
 
This made me think of how much Nani likes Quick Topics.

Which then made me think of how many Quick Topics there could be in a game.

Now I'm fantasizing about being a Hellbeast in a game with a ton of Mirror Shards. (I like QTs a lot too)
Oh yeah, I'd probably be thrilled to be recruited by a Mind Eater. Quicktopics are great, though I've found this game that they're less so if you can't for sure trust the other people in them. Pretty glad I didn't take the Ancient Mirror for that reason. Picking who you trust is a hard job, and as I thought when I first decided to pick my item instead, I'm not up to it.

Not an invitation, though. I wanna see how far I can get like this, so it'd also be a bit disappointing to be something else. It'd feel like losing, you know? Losing, only to start a new, more fun game, but I don't like losing.

*Clicks Who Replied*
*Sees self at top with 96 posts*
*Sees Comi at 69 posts*

But I've mostly been memeing, why am I still the top poster? :V

(Might take a nap if I want to be up for the final few hours. In my experience things tend to go to hell if I'm not there)
It's not about substance, man. Meming makes more posts. Also, you have not just been meming, come off it. Posting habits and pushing big time makes me think Town, even if you've been wrong all this time :V

Oh hey I've got another random idea: Let me self-lynch so that the Oracle can tell you if there's a third Emp. Might not sound worth it either, but hey if you do ever get suspicions you might try it, who knows.
This would be a genuinely good thing for us to do if there weren't so many sus people around. Maybe people'll be proven, and we'll have no suspects. Wait and Hope.

Their only vote on Day 1. Notably not on a wagon that got any other votes that Day.

Here's him providing rational for lynching Absum, and why he claimed to not be concerned about if Absum is an Emp. He also brings up the possibility of Hammer.

Here's hammer again, except this time there isn't really the mention of a reason not to. This reads like he should be voting here, and honestly I initially thought he did. He stays off the wagon that has the possibility of being an Emp while suggesting that everyone hammers it.


Here's the start of something I noticed later, he suggests that Absum might have the Firestarter, even though it's known that he can't because Cyricubed was doused.

When Cyricubed points out that Absum cannot have the Firestarter, he says this. Only noting these three for later.

Here's his initial reaction to QT's vote when I point out why I'm going with it.

And here's his reaction after Archeo votes the same. He doesn't go after the two people who sheep the vote (Me and Archeo) but votes the person who actually claimed to have info and demanded it be shared. I could have seen him voting me or Archeo here for hopping on a convenient wagon with next to no reasoning, but he pushes on QT because us following QT made QT suspicious. If this was actually a case of us being scum together, this would have been possibly the most blatant coordination ever.

Also worth noting that he feels comfortable voting once he knows who the Emps are.

Basically quoting earlier post of why to hammer without actually quote boxing post. It didn't really address the "Why didn't you vote though?" issue. I'm not sure how I feel on this one.

See above on why he was voting QT.

Again, voting once the Emps are known.


And here it is again, he goes along with Absum claiming the Firestarter, even though he already knows that Absum cannot have the Firestarter. It smells bad to me, and the most likely explanation I can see is that he has the Firestarter and doesn't want to be interrupted tonight.

So, between him suggesting at several points that Absum might have the Firestarter (And needs to be blocked), him suggesting hammer but not actually voting on any wagons until he knows it won't be an Emp (Letting everyone else take the risk and not being willing to do it himself seems bad to me as well) and him going after QT because a scum-group sized amount of people sheeped them are making me think that he is probably scum.


Well, that's my reasoning anyways. Did I miss anything you were thinking of @Nanimani?
Well, before me stating anything, I draw you to note my vote on Pawn. I may be biased.

First, I don't think him not wanting to join the wagon means anything now that I know demons only know regular Imps. It means he doesn't want to die. Is what I say, but well... He doesn't want to die himself, while also verbally discounting that chance in general. He doesn't *know* they're an Emp, but doesn't want to risk it and doesn't mind if others do. This speaks not-Human, at least, if not *necessarily* anti-town.

That Firestarter mention is... odd. It reads more like Emp/Imp than anything, to me. Pawn is neither that dumb, nor going to think that we're that dumb. But that role wouldn't want to preserve themselves, so they'd be fine with dying to Emp.

I'll note that Comi was an even bigger pusher of wanting to know how QT knew. Does not make Pawn look better, just keep it in mind.

I concur with the above.
Same
 
I'll note that Comi was an even bigger pusher of wanting to know how QT knew. Does not make Pawn look better, just keep it in mind.
Comi was pushing it from the start, Pawn saw people sheeping as suspicious and went after the one they were sheeping rather than the sheep themselves.

Pawn went from respecting it to wanting to lynch over it just because other people were acting suspicious.
 
Comi was pushing it from the start, Pawn saw people sheeping as suspicious and went after the one they were sheeping rather than the sheep themselves.

Pawn went from respecting it to wanting to lynch over it just because other people were acting suspicious.
He doesn't exactly say his reason, you're kinda projecting there. Of course, that just means he about-faces without an actual reason.
 
He doesn't exactly say his reason, you're kinda projecting there. Of course, that just means he about-faces without an actual reason.
No?
Then I can respect the reason for the vote but I won't follow along. No info for why he wants the vote outside of saying Quicktopic shenanigans is enough to make me wary and not going to vote for it.

Maybe he has a good reason but he already revealed to be in a quicktopicwith him, there's not much reason to hold back further info.
And as someone who was also disagreeing with you, it wasn't a lack of interest in creating accurate information. It is a case of the way you approached the lynch, trying to get us to just listen to you for the lynch and without a initial logic behind it to back it up. With how people just immediately fell in line behind you? It didn't look good.
The difference between the two points is only that people joined QT's vote.
 
Hey all, I was at a company picnic with my mom, just got back like an hour ago, still a bit in the vague feelings zone here, for pretty good reason, but I can roll with the Pawn vote.

[X] Lynch Pawn Lelouch
 
At the same time, I feel like Cyri is someone to look at. Hell's Herald can be picked up by scum, so it's not like they are cleared just by that. They're still pretty likely to be scum, given they were roped on a night with no kills. They are still a very valid lynch target and I think we let Absum distract away from them too much. Very specific things would have had to happen in just the right way for Cyri to not be scum, and the likelihood of everything falling together isn't zero, but it's not great.

This is exactly the kind of stuff I'm saying you should do. Logical, and makes sense.

[X] Null

Wagon on pawn seems alright, but not wholly convinced.


As of right now, no. I already am de-incentivized for demon scum to target me and will not give them more info to either raise or lower their value of targeting me. I'd rather let them squirm trying to guess if I'm a survivor or hell, even if I'm and Ent (or secretly the third exploding imp!) Will be in and out till the end of day.
 
This is exactly the kind of stuff I'm saying you should do. Logical, and makes sense.

[X] Null

Wagon on pawn seems alright, but not wholly convinced.



As of right now, no. I already am de-incentivized for demon scum to target me and will not give them more info to either raise or lower their value of targeting me. I'd rather let them squirm trying to guess if I'm a survivor or hell, even if I'm and Ent (or secretly the third exploding imp!) Will be in and out till the end of day.


[X] Null


[X] Lynch Cyricubed
 
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