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Arch-Demon's Eternal Game 3: Weren't We Just Here? (Mafia)

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OK, Happery is a Human Oracle. That seems like a suicidal claim if they aren't the actual Human Oracle, so, let's call that confirmed for now.

Uhhhh, OK, might be thinking about lynching Pawn now.
 
Further refinement of the list

MUST HAVES:
1. Exploding Imp
2. Human Oracle
3. Mind Eater
4. Demon
5. Human
6. ???
7. ???
8. ???

We are very likely to have a possessed non-human to be 6th.
And very likely to have a non-human in the game.

We began with 14 players, so 6 repeating roles.

Roles that Repeat:
1. Exploding Imp
2. Human (1 Human confirms the presence of At least 1 other human other than A12 where only one is produced.)
3. ???
4. ???
5. ???
6. ???
 
Terrabrand said:
I quoted the relevant chunk; he was both asserting it needed to be done by a member of the demon faction that has the standard kill but also against a standard demon.

This is not true. The immunity extends to possessed types, in general.

As a further clarification as I have realized my framing was less clear than could have been, it applies regardless of any alignment alteration those roles may undergo. It simply matters that they have one of the demon aligned role cards.
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Ah. So if a demonic elf attacks a demon, the demon will be fine? Good to know.
 
Broken Base said:
True but human are the default in every set more or less so that's basically a given.
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There's a something around 50% chance that there aren't any humans, actually? Given the posted blocks rolling A6 through A11 replaces them with resistance fighters, and then the other blocks have way more options without them then with, but either way that's side adjacent to the fact that they should still make up a distinct role of their own for the 'how many role types exist' count.
 
QTesseract said:
Ah. So if a demonic elf attacks a demon, the demon will be fine? Good to know.
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No. The Possessed Elf kill, Possessed Orc kill, and normal Demon strongman bypass it. The point is that a Possessed Elf will be fine in all the same conditions the normal Demon would be- if you were to have a regular Demon kill land on a Possessed Elf, they would live. The Possessed Elf kill will kill barring actually night immunity/healing/roleblocking or other normal ways for an elf kill to fail.
 
Happerry said:
There's a something around 50% chance that there aren't any humans, actually? Given the posted blocks rolling A6 through A11 replaces them with resistance fighters, and then the other blocks have way more options without them then with, but either way that's side adjacent to the fact that they should still make up a distinct role of their own for the 'how many role types exist' count.
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Without confirming any claims of oracle, an oracle would, indeed, detect Humans as a role unto themselves, increasing the role count by 1 compared to if no humans were alive.
 
Happerry said:
There's a something around 50% chance that there aren't any humans, actually? Given the posted blocks rolling A6 through A11 replaces them with resistance fighters, and then the other blocks have way more options without them then with, but either way that's side adjacent to the fact that they should still make up a distinct role of their own for the 'how many role types exist' count.
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I mean in a fresh rolled array in general, not that there are no humans in this game, for clarity.
 
Gnome Klepto seems unlikely to exist unless Cyric is one as everyone would've claimed an item stolen.
So Beta Blocks 7 and 8 are out.

Beta 1: Adds 2 roles to the game.
Beta 2: Adds 1 or 0 roles to the game.
Beta 3: Adds 1 role to the game (Though I REALLY DOUBT it based off requiring none to speak up about being 17th/18th pick.
Beta 4: Adds 2 roles to the game.
Beta 5: Adds 2 roles to the game.
Beta 6: Adds 1 role to the game.
Beta 9: Adds 1 or 0 roles to the game.
Beta 10: Adds 1 or 0 roles to the game.
 
Anyway I was hoping to get that 1K post done but I've gotten sucked into stuff for the last hour and I'm emotionally a little tired. I'll try to get to it, but fortunately we still have some time before the end of day.
 
Broken Base said:
Anyway I was hoping to get that 1K post done but I've gotten sucked into stuff for the last hour and I'm emotionally a little tired. I'll try to get to it, but fortunately we still have some time before the end of day.
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I'm not actually legitimately sure I'm reading the time correctly, but if I am, you have around 31~ hours to end of day?

I'll double check when the time comes, try to be more sure than 'probably'.
 
@Happerry gonna say you are playing good so far, did your number of species in the game drop at all from day 1's number? If not, normal humans are in the game. If so, yes there are no more normal humans. You can use that number to confirm when unique roles/variants in roles are gone from the game.
 
Happerry said:
The amount of distinct role types at the start of the game was 8, and the amount of distinct role types at the start of Day 2 was also 8, which was why I was pushing so hard on the idea that there was a second explosive imp in play.
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The amount of roles in play at the start of day 1 was the same as the amount of roles at the start of day 2.
 
[X] Null

I'm not completely convinced, but I'm willing to accept it for the moment, and keep an eye on them. In the meantime, if you were responsible for the other transportation, now would be a really good time to speak up; not doing so will mean I view you with significantly more suspicion later.


[x] Lynch comiturtle
 
QTesseract said:
[X] Null

I'm not completely convinced, but I'm willing to accept it for the moment, and keep an eye on them. In the meantime, if you were responsible for the other transportation, now would be a really good time to speak up; not doing so will mean I view you with significantly more suspicion later.


[x] Lynch comiturtle
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Would you be willing to codify a rationale?
 
ComiTurtle said:
Would you be willing to codify a rationale?
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Your buzz are earlier arguments showcased a complete lack of interest in procuring accurate information. Given that I am now tentatively believing happerry to be town, that that rules out you as a scummate trying to protect them, but it doesn't do anything about you pocketing them. Even before the, I've also been getting something of an off feeling about your posts, but the epistemically status on that is dubious since I'm not sure my later skepticism isn't at least partially coloring my earlier observations.
 
QTesseract said:
Your buzz are earlier arguments showcased a complete lack of interest in procuring accurate information. Given that I am now tentatively believing happerry to be town, that that rules out you as a scummate trying to protect them, but it doesn't do anything about you pocketing them. Even before the, I've also been getting something of an off feeling about your posts, but the epistemically status on that is dubious since I'm not sure my later skepticism isn't at least partially coloring my earlier observations.
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I will admit that I don't quite understand the word epistemically and it is making it difficult for me to fully parse the latter sentence you wrote.

And as someone who was also disagreeing with you, it wasn't a lack of interest in creating accurate information. It is a case of the way you approached the lynch, trying to get us to just listen to you for the lynch and without a initial logic behind it to back it up. With how people just immediately fell in line behind you? It didn't look good.
 
QTesseract said:
Your buzz are earlier arguments showcased a complete lack of interest in procuring accurate information. Given that I am now tentatively believing happerry to be town, that that rules out you as a scummate trying to protect them, but it doesn't do anything about you pocketing them. Even before the, I've also been getting something of an off feeling about your posts, but the epistemically status on that is dubious since I'm not sure my later skepticism isn't at least partially coloring my earlier observations.
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Fair enough, I'd certainly try to pocket people as a demon especially if there is only 2 members belonging to it as appears to be the case.

However the truth is the moment we had confirmation from Hell's Herald, I was certain that Happerry was an Oracle just based on reading their play, I very much rate such a role highly, so I was gonna defend it. My suspicions of you still exist because of how clear such a role seemed to me that you only post their claim consider it probable, and once again the way that even that small bandwagon formed was strange, it certainly had bruised my previous town reading of Nictis, and same with Archeo... but I still have basically nothing on Archeo.

(Little surprised you don't think Happerry is a coached scummate of mine or something though)
 
Pawn Lelouch said:
I will admit that I don't quite understand the word epistemically and it is making it difficult for me to fully parse the latter sentence you wrote.

And as someone who was also disagreeing with you, it wasn't a lack of interest in creating accurate information. It is a case of the way you approached the lynch, trying to get us to just listen to you for the lynch and without a initial logic behind it to back it up. With how people just immediately fell in line behind you? It didn't look good.
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Epistemically is a typo, a hazard of my trying to type on my phone. I meant to say epistemologically invalid; as in, my belief in it is insuffiicently justified because my analysis has some bias I noted even as I was making it. Something being epistemologically unsound isn't neccesarily wrong, but it is, as a rule, not sufficiently supported.

Right. I didn't see that same issue in your posts, however; this was something specific to comiturtle, which was particularly evident in their bizarre arguments on explosive imps but visible throughout.
 
I don't yet have the energy to do the quality of analysis of 1K I want to do, but I will say that we will need to remember to keep Happerry consistently honest or at least consistently consistent, with his ability for the rest of the game, as being a claimed town role that is broadly believed makes him a good recruitment target.
 
Oh right, QT gave the go ahead.

So, some possibilities for why QT might have suspected Happerry to have been transported.
1: They tracked someone who visited Happerry and someone else.
2: They tracked Happerry and saw themselves visiting Happerry and assumed they got transported and not that Happerry self-healed.
3: They transported Happerry with themselves and nobody died.
4: They attempted to heal Happerry and are now out a charge of self healing, could also be why they are certain that Happerry was not targeted.
5: They used the Widget Detector on Happerry and saw that they were visited by a Ferry, and that nobody else has spoken up about it.
6: They are in a Quick Topic (Freedom Fighters?) with someone who saw Happerry visit multiple people.
7: They got their mind eaten and the Mind Eater mentioned that it was supposed to be Happerry.
8: They are a Mind Eater and meant to eat Happerry's mind.
9: They are in an Owl Quick Topic with Happerry and tracked them to check if they went where they said they would, and saw a different visit. (Happerry has already claimed not to be in a Quick Topic)
10: This is an entirely random accusation.
 
Hrmm...something is just putting me off about both QT pushes...

Like...Ahh, Broken bases push makes sense, voting for now, expect my reasonings up in a bit (I just got Secret of Mana-Remastered and I'm loving going through updated nostalgia)
 
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