Onmyodo Monogatari (Japanese Heian-era fantasy)

We're at a tie; I'll start work on an update once it breaks, preferably by more than a single vote. I hope to get one or two updates done before Wednesday, when I'll be going to a con for a few days.
Questions and voting remain open.
Adhoc vote count started by Magnusth on Apr 13, 2019 at 8:01 PM, finished with 14 posts and 12 votes.

  • [X]: I ask my mother to take me and Tomiko to the poetry competition she'll be in!
    [X]: I go to the Seimei shrine, where my father is, where there is really good tea, and I can also chat with the old priest there who helps me understand education. Perhaps Tomiko, Junpei or Aiko would also enjoy it there?
    [x]: I go to the poetry competition at the imperial palace. There's also a smaller competition for children, too, where I hope to win!
    [X]: I don't want any of this! I go find Tsuzura and have fun with her.
    [x]: I go to the imperial palace's Kemari event and play Kemari with Aiko and whoever else joins

Adhoc vote count started by Magnusth on Apr 15, 2019 at 7:28 PM, finished with 14 posts and 12 votes.

  • [X]: I ask my mother to take me and Tomiko to the poetry competition she'll be in!
    [X]: I go to the Seimei shrine, where my father is, where there is really good tea, and I can also chat with the old priest there who helps me understand education. Perhaps Tomiko, Junpei or Aiko would also enjoy it there?
    [x]: I go to the poetry competition at the imperial palace. There's also a smaller competition for children, too, where I hope to win!
    [X]: I don't want any of this! I go find Tsuzura and have fun with her.
    [x]: I go to the imperial palace's Kemari event and play Kemari with Aiko and whoever else joins

Adhoc vote count started by Magnusth on Apr 27, 2019 at 8:34 AM, finished with 7 posts and 3 votes.

  • [X]: Compose a poem! Write in! The format is Waka, that is, 5 syllables, then 7, then 5, then 7 and 7, or 5-7-5-7-7. It must include a reference to the gardens around you and it must be a love poem for the girl in front of you. As usual, the poems are as good as your character is, not as you are, though your theme and general sentiment does matter.
    -[X]realm of the dew,
    -[X]a garden of two anew
    -[X]the flowers view
    -[X]girl sits across from boy
    -[X]with love, to make a toy
    [X]: Compose a poem! Write in! The format is Waka, that is, 5 syllables, then 7, then 5, then 7 and 7, or 5-7-5-7-7. It must include a reference to the gardens around you and it must be a love poem for the girl in front of you. As usual, the poems are as good as your character is, not as you are, though your theme and general sentiment does matter.
    [X]: Compose a poem! Write in, as above! Don't downplay your ability, but pick your symbolism/imagery in a way that it sounds like ordinary high quality love poetry to the crowd, but Tomiko can pick up a second meaning referring to her.
    -[X] A blooming garden

Adhoc vote count started by Magnusth on Apr 27, 2019 at 8:34 AM, finished with 7 posts and 3 votes.

  • [X]: Compose a poem! Write in! The format is Waka, that is, 5 syllables, then 7, then 5, then 7 and 7, or 5-7-5-7-7. It must include a reference to the gardens around you and it must be a love poem for the girl in front of you. As usual, the poems are as good as your character is, not as you are, though your theme and general sentiment does matter.
    -[X]realm of the dew,
    -[X]a garden of two anew
    -[X]the flowers view
    -[X]girl sits across from boy
    -[X]with love, to make a toy
    [X]: Compose a poem! Write in! The format is Waka, that is, 5 syllables, then 7, then 5, then 7 and 7, or 5-7-5-7-7. It must include a reference to the gardens around you and it must be a love poem for the girl in front of you. As usual, the poems are as good as your character is, not as you are, though your theme and general sentiment does matter.
    [X]: Compose a poem! Write in, as above! Don't downplay your ability, but pick your symbolism/imagery in a way that it sounds like ordinary high quality love poetry to the crowd, but Tomiko can pick up a second meaning referring to her.
    -[X] A blooming garden

Adhoc vote count started by Magnusth on Apr 27, 2019 at 8:35 AM, finished with 7 posts and 3 votes.

  • [X]: Compose a poem! Write in! The format is Waka, that is, 5 syllables, then 7, then 5, then 7 and 7, or 5-7-5-7-7. It must include a reference to the gardens around you and it must be a love poem for the girl in front of you. As usual, the poems are as good as your character is, not as you are, though your theme and general sentiment does matter.
    -[X]realm of the dew,
    -[X]a garden of two anew
    -[X]the flowers view
    -[X]girl sits across from boy
    -[X]with love, to make a toy
    [X]: Compose a poem! Write in! The format is Waka, that is, 5 syllables, then 7, then 5, then 7 and 7, or 5-7-5-7-7. It must include a reference to the gardens around you and it must be a love poem for the girl in front of you. As usual, the poems are as good as your character is, not as you are, though your theme and general sentiment does matter.
    [X]: Compose a poem! Write in, as above! Don't downplay your ability, but pick your symbolism/imagery in a way that it sounds like ordinary high quality love poetry to the crowd, but Tomiko can pick up a second meaning referring to her.
    -[X] A blooming garden
 
the seventeenth
You smile at Tomiko. "One moment!" you say. You know your mother is still getting ready at home, by the other end of the imperial gardens. You hurry in and rush past an annoyed-looking servant, to your mother's room, where she is still behind screens, getting her hair set up.
"Yes?" she asks, from behind the screen. "Kogitsunemaru?" she asks, unsure.
"Yes, mother," you say.
"And why are you here?" she asks, slightly annoyedly.
You gulp.
"I heard you were going to the imperial poetry contest today. I wonder if you would allow me and Tomiko to join you enjoy your great poems"
You hear a rustling noise and a sigh.

"Unfortunately, that's no good," she says. "We can't have children running around at the emperor's poetry competition."
"Bu-" you start, but get cut off.
"HOWever," she says, emphasizing the first syllable. "I believe there is a pavilion next to the gardens, where you could see and hear us. If you promise to be quiet, I can ask Jun-kun to bring you there."
You nod, then remember that she can't see you.
"Of Course! We'll be very quiet! As long as we can watch and hear your poetry!"
"Very well," she says. "And now you will have to excuse me while I finish getting ready.
You nod and smile and thank her and run out again, back to Tomiko with the good news!

The poetry competition isn't near the palace itself, but over water, on boats in a small lake in the gardens near where you first had a moment with Tomiko. You and tomiko sit at a pavilion near the water with Jun-dono, from where you can hear the poetry, but not all the conversation around it. The boats are full of women, the men having a seperate competition elsewhere. Despite that, however, you do spy some aristocrats sitting near the lakeside, enjoying the view and listening in.
You're sitting next to Tomiko, hands folded, and Jun-dono is sitting close to you. Both you and Tomiko are careful not to touch, which would be faar too impropper for such a public setting.

Out on the boats, poetry is being composed back and forth by the women;
In an autumn meadow
I would lodge with
The maidenflowers–
The name is so appealing-
Though I travel not.

You hear one say;
In maiden
Form at Sugata Pond
The lotuses
Cheerfully
Have bloomed!

Another replies; and so it goes, back and forth; Slowly, people begin bowing out. You see your sister among the women there, as a poet, but as others begin bowing out, she does the same. Most of them seem to be focused on two women in particular. Your mother is one of them, and the other sits across from her. They are both fairly old, compared to the others. You don't recognize the other woman, but Tomiko does, and gets very excited!
"Who is it?" you ask.
"It's Shonagon!" she replies.
Your eyes widen, though you should, of course, have guessed. You've heard your mother complain about Shonagon before - apparently appalled by the lady's arrogance, though also at past victories in poetry competitions. At other times, you've seen a smirk on her face after some victory or other at court.

Gesturing vaguely towards the water, you hear Shonagon recite her poem
Even being asked,
Faced with such a lotus –
Dew-dropped – should I abandon it
And once again to the world of pain
Return?

Around her, people clap and cheer at the poem - behind fans, of course. It seems to have found purchase with the audience?

Your mother, who has also prepared a poem simply smiles, and recites hers.
A waterbird
Seems as the water's top
Seen from afar
I, too, drift along
On my way through the world

At that, Sei Shonagon turns towards the water for a moment, then nods, and bows, moving a bit back from the center - ceeding to your mother, clearly, and much of the boat cheers or claps, and you too! Next to you, however, Tomiko pouts.
"Shonagon should've won that one," she says. "Hers was clearly better. Don't you think?"

What do you respond?
[ ]: I agree, and tell her that. They both had a Buddhist theme, but hers was more insightful
[ ]: I don't agree, but I lie because I want to make Tomiko happy!
[ ]: I'm not sure, so I ask her to tell me what she liked about it.
[ ]: If you say so! I respect Tomiko's poetic taste, and change my mind to agree with her!
[ ]: If you say so. I respond noncommittally, because I don't want to make her upset.
[ ]: I agree with her, but I want to protect my mother! I tell her my mother's is best, and explain to her why!
[ ]: I don't agree, and I tell her that! I defend my mother's poem!
 
[X]: I'm not sure, so I ask her to tell me what she liked about it.

Mostly because (as a barbarian I am) I don't quite understand what the hell is going on rather than thinking about whom to support.
 
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[X]: I agree, and tell her that. They both had a Buddhist theme, but hers was more insightful
[X]: I'm not sure, so I ask her to tell me what she liked about it.

Okay, so I'm also fairly lost on the poetry front, (as in, I wouldn't even have known where to start, if the votes didn't mention the Buddhist themes) but I did try to at least look up Buddhist themes and I think I agree with Tomiko?

Granted, there might just be stuff going over my head, but as far as I can figure things out waterbirds not leaving a trace on the water's surface is somewhat of a symbolism for an awakened mind. And the "I, too," part of our mother's poem is basically just that, a pretty straight forward link to eanlightened behaviour.

The Lotus is similar symbol. Part of it being a representation of detachment, because of how drops of water slide off it. Having a lotus to which the dew drops cling, instead of sliding off, then would represent a person that has not yet managed to properly detach themself from something. What I'm not entirely sure on is if returning to the world of pain would then mean giving in to those attachements, or to face suffering as a means to ultimately rid oneself of those attachments. Either way, it does seem to me that there's some more meat to her symbolism.

Though I'm pretty much the opposite of an expert of Buddhism, so take that entire read with a truck worth of salt. Which is why I'm throwing the not sure vote in there as well.
 
Okay, so, I assumed people would be voting on loyalty, deceitfulness, and willingness to go along with Tomiko. People hadn't seemed that interested in the poetry stuff last time around, so I tried to focus more on the relationship with Tomiko and your mother; I didn't think people were that interested in the themes of the poetry and such, and I wanted to let people make their own opinion, but it seems people want more context so I'll go into it. I'll try to just give context and not interpret the poems for you.
First things first: These poems are both real poems, written at various times by the actual Murasaki Shikibu and Sei Shonagon, who were also actually rivals. I don't know if they ever did an actual competition like this, but it's actually possible!
Now, on to the poetry as I understand it. I'm not a scholar, but I did study Japanese and read everything I can find about the Heian era.

On the Lotus thing, there are two main relevant parts to that symbol: The lotus is one, a symbol of enlightenment and purity because it blooms in dirty water but is beautiful itself. It's also, just as importantly, the name of an incredibly important sutra, the Lotus Sutra. Dew is a symbol of impermanence, the impermanent, illusory world which will disappear before the sun. The 'world of pain' or 'world of sorrow' is the mundane world, which is considered a place of pain in Buddhist cosmology.

Floating has a similar idea; the world is impermanent, shallow, you're just floating along for a while and then you die. It's also a pun in Japanese; floating world and world of pain are written with different characters, but pronounced the same.

You're pretty sure that your mother won because, essentially, she made a similar point, but was less on the nose with her symbolism, something generally thought stylish.
 
[X]: I agree with her, but I want to protect my mother! I tell her my mother's is best, and explain to her why!
I'm torn between this, and just disagreeing and defending mom's poetry.
I think I like this because it feels like an excellent example of the kind of conflicted loyalties that crop up in courtly dramas (a.k.a, probably going to be our life once we grow up!), and I like the idea that the MC will have a debate where he'll be more likely to be level-headed about it.
 
Okay, so, I assumed people would be voting on loyalty, deceitfulness, and willingness to go along with Tomiko
Do you remember all that activity that happened back when you had us write a poem to Tomiko? :p
Anyway aside from that theres a bit of caution going into deciding how I chose, first of all I don't know how reasonable it is to argue either way, is it 10/10 people prefer Shonagon and it is better according to all objective poetry beauty-ometers or is more like 6/10 prefer Shonagon (and 4/10 are rural bumpkins :V)
Secondly is that at least in the estimation of the crowd the less popular poet seems to have won, to me this probably means that theres something we missed, perhaps the more talented poets in the room decided differently to the crowd, maybe theres some kind of court politics at hand or something else. It feels smart to hedge until I know what.
Third is that I kinda did like moms more but I don't think I'm equipped to justify so I'm trying to tease out an example of poetry analysis from Tomiko so that I have something to build any argument off.
 
For the record, my con is now over, and i'll try to get back to this asap! expect an update tomorrow!
Adhoc vote count started by Magnusth on Apr 24, 2019 at 1:19 PM, finished with 30 posts and 16 votes.

  • [X]: I'm not sure, so I ask her to tell me what she liked about it.
    [X]: I ask my mother to take me and Tomiko to the poetry competition she'll be in!
    [X]: I go to the Seimei shrine, where my father is, where there is really good tea, and I can also chat with the old priest there who helps me understand education. Perhaps Tomiko, Junpei or Aiko would also enjoy it there?
    [X]: I don't agree, and I tell her that! I defend my mother's poem
    [X]: I agree, and tell her that. They both had a Buddhist theme, but hers was more insightful
    [X]: I agree with her, but I want to protect my mother! I tell her my mother's is best, and explain to her why!
 
[X]: I'm not sure, so I ask her to tell me what she liked about it.

Sure, asking people to explain their opinions and views is a good habit to get into, as is listening to women and taking them seriously. Granted Heian Japan has some messed up gender relations anyway but there's nothing to lose by learning how to be smooth.

Though of the two poems, I think it can be said that less is more. The subtle the allusion the more beautiful the imagery and meaningful its impact.
 
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The Eighteenth
"I'm not sure," You say. "What do you like about Shonagon's poetry?"
At this, Tomiko rolls her eyes. Perhaps she expected you to have an opinion yourself?
"It feels much more expressive! You can feel the longing for freedom from pain, and the contrast between the dew-stained lotus and the world around it. Have you never been in a temple, or listening to the sutras, or just been struck by the beauty of something and known you would have to leave it, to return to everything else? I get that feeling from Shonagon's poetry; not from Murasaki no Ue's," she says, using the formal and respectful title for your mother.
You nod. That... makes sense. Though there are many different styles and different techniques and wordplay and such in fashion, and though elegance is highly praised, poetry is also about your emotions.
"Anyway, let's go do something else. I'm not in the mood for this poetry competition anymore. Why don't we go join the one in the imperial gardens?" she asks, but she seems less enthused than she was earlier.

What do you reply?
[ ]: Sure! I am enthusiastic about it, hoping to cheer her up.
[ ]: No way is Shonagon's poetry better! I try to convince her that my Mother's poetry is better! Show her that it's subtler and more beautiful.
[ ]: No way is Shonagon's poetry better! I try to convince her that my Mother's poetry is better! Explain to her how it resonates with me.
[ ]: I suggest we go somewhere else, instead of the poetry competition. Where?
[ ]: I respond with something else! Write-in!
Adhoc vote count started by Magnusth on Apr 25, 2019 at 6:53 PM, finished with 4 posts and 4 votes.

  • [X]: No way is Shonagon's poetry better! I try to convince her that my Mother's poetry is better! Explain to her how it resonates with me.
    [X]: No way is Shonagon's poetry better! I try to convince her that my Mother's poetry is better! Show her that it's subtler and more beautiful.
    -[X]: However, one of the beauty of poetry is in the interpretation for each listener. That we like the subtlety, doesn't invalidate her love of the emotion.
    [X]: Sure! I am enthusiastic about it, hoping to cheer her up.

Adhoc vote count started by Magnusth on Apr 26, 2019 at 10:38 AM, finished with 4 posts and 4 votes.

  • [X]: No way is Shonagon's poetry better! I try to convince her that my Mother's poetry is better! Explain to her how it resonates with me.
    [X]: No way is Shonagon's poetry better! I try to convince her that my Mother's poetry is better! Show her that it's subtler and more beautiful.
    -[X]: However, one of the beauty of poetry is in the interpretation for each listener. That we like the subtlety, doesn't invalidate her love of the emotion.
    [X]: Sure! I am enthusiastic about it, hoping to cheer her up.
 
[X]: No way is Shonagon's poetry better! I try to convince her that my Mother's poetry is better! Show her that it's subtler and more beautiful.
-[X]: However, one of the beauty of poetry is in the interpretation for each listener. That we like the subtlety, doesn't invalidate her love of the emotion.
 
[X]: No way is Shonagon's poetry better! I try to convince her that my Mother's poetry is better! Explain to her how it resonates with me.

This seems the "this is more appropriate for ME" one
 
[X]: No way is Shonagon's poetry better! I try to convince her that my Mother's poetry is better! Explain to her how it resonates with me.
 
[X]: Sure! I am enthusiastic about it, hoping to cheer her up.

As a person too blunt to appreciate subtlety in poetry, I'm just kind of here feeling preemtively bad for Tomiko for being ganged up on by the voters.
 
The Nineteenth
"I see what you mean," you reply, after a moment's silence. "But I don't think the poetry is better on that account! Consider the imagery of the waterbird flowing along, drifting on the water. Do you never feel like that? Like we are simply... floating along? Sure, when you are at the temple or reading the sutras, you can long for enlightenment and fear going back to the world, but... the feeling of just... drifting, floating along while nothing matters, that you can experience at any point. When you see a thing and remember that it is only here for a while, transitory, shallow. Do you not know that feeling?"
You ask Tomiko, and she nods.
"But still," she says, and the two of you argue, though friendly, and she begins walking towards the Imperial Gardens, where you know there's a poetry contest. You argue on the way, and by the time you're at the gardens, your argument is lively, though it remains friendly. You think you've cheered her up? But she is definitely in a mood. She's usually shy, but you feel some amount of... competitiveness from her?
As you arrive in the gardens, you see the kids sitting in two rows, facing each other, girls on one side and boys on the other. Fairly quickly, the contest ends, and the winning side is awarded candies. The gardens are lush and green, and surrounded by lilies and other flowers, as well as trees with leaves in every shade of purple, red, yellow and green. You see a lot of slightly older kids and servants around, looking at the competitions with interest.

"Well!" she says. "Do you want to join the next round?"
You smile, and nod - poetry is, after all, a passion of yours. You report to the judge, an elderly servant - a handmaid of some high-ranking lady, you're sure - and both you and Tomiko get assigned seats, though not opposite of each other. Instead, you're placed across from another girl - perhaps your age, perhaps a year older, like Tomiko? You've seen her before, like all the other kids at the imperial court, but you don't remember her name. Her mother serves the other empress, like Sei Shonagon. She smiles at you.
"Oh, Kogisunemaru is going to make poetry for me? I'm flattered," she says, and smiles sweetly. She has flowers in her hair, and her robes have an intricate flowery pattern. You see Tomiko introduce herself to her partner as well, looking shy and somewhat bashful, as usual.
"Ahem!" the judge says, clearing her throat. "The rules are simple. First, the left side" - that would be you and the other boys - "will compose a love poem to the person in front of them, and read it aloud. Once they have done so, the right side will compose an answer and read it aloud. Afterward, the right side will compose the first poem and read it aloud for their partners, who will compose an answer. These are, of course, conventional, and do not indicate your true feelings" - the girl in front of you blink, and you see Tomiko notice - "The theme is the garden here. I expect the best from you."
Your partner looks at you and smiles, waiting for a poem.

What do you do?
[ ]: Compose a poem! Write in! The format is Waka, that is, 5 syllables, then 7, then 5, then 7 and 7, or 5-7-5-7-7. It must include a reference to the gardens around you and it must be a love poem for the girl in front of you. As usual, the poems are as good as your character is, not as you are, though your theme and general sentiment does matter.

[ ]: Compose a poem! Write in, as above! However, I am deliberately downplaying my abilities, throwing away a chance to show my peers - and the servants of the rest of the court all of whom really care about poetry - my skills, and possibly shaming myself, if anyone notices. I do this so Tomiko sees I'm saving the best, most emotional poems for her.

[ ]: Something else! this is almost certainly highly unusual and might shame me, but I am doing something else anyway!
 
I took the liberty of assuming you'd 1. go along with Tomiko and 2. enter the contest, on account of not wanting two separate updates for 'do you do the obvious thing to do?'
Adhoc vote count started by Magnusth on Apr 27, 2019 at 7:32 AM, finished with 7 posts and 3 votes.

  • [X]: Compose a poem! Write in! The format is Waka, that is, 5 syllables, then 7, then 5, then 7 and 7, or 5-7-5-7-7. It must include a reference to the gardens around you and it must be a love poem for the girl in front of you. As usual, the poems are as good as your character is, not as you are, though your theme and general sentiment does matter.
    -[X]realm of the dew,
    -[X]a garden of two anew
    -[X]the flowers view
    -[X]girl sits across from boy
    -[X]with love, to make a toy
    [X]: Compose a poem! Write in, as above! Don't downplay your ability, but pick your symbolism/imagery in a way that it sounds like ordinary high quality love poetry to the crowd, but Tomiko can pick up a second meaning referring to her.
    -[X] A blooming garden
 
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