Underneath the twisted blue moon

Personal preference. I am not a fan of their units or mind magic. A bit to mechanical and i don't like the lawful good image they have. My least favourite faction in any game.

I also consider the faction garbage due to their success rate last round.

Nature, while unfavorable does match well with defence and amassing resources we are currently doing.

Death can be neutral, like us.

Nordlending said:

Personal preference. I am not a fan of their units or mind magic. A bit to mechanical and i don't like the lawful good image they have. My least favourite faction in any game.

I also consider the faction garbage due to their success rate last round.

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I can understand the first part since personal preference is personal preference. But the second point doesn't make sense to me since Dace's success rate was pretty garbage last round as well.

Nordlending said:

Death can be neutral, like us.

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To be honest I kind of wanted to pick the Death anchor since it's the intrigue faction but I decided not to because I don't want to give Tom the idea we're muscling on his territory since that ends with dear old mother being sen

NotteBoy97 said:

I can understand the first part since personal preference is personal preference. But the second point doesn't make sense to me since Dace's success rate was pretty garbage last round as well.


To be honest I kind of wanted to pick the Death anchor since it's the intrigue faction but I decided not to because I don't want to give Tom the idea we're muscling on his territory since that ends with dear old mother being sen

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The advantage here is that if we get the anchor, there is one less death anchor to go around. Making either Riddle or Voldie to pick something else .

We could potentially avoid the backlash of being death of we wait revaling it. Since we just have to better than the shadows.

[X] Plan: Stay calm and keep being a Boomer.

Realpolitik sucks but this is the least bad plan you guys are choosing.

A tally

Welp. Tie it is, one vote to break it? (extending voting phase by 24h first)

Lysbeth said:

Irl, economy is destroyed before and after the war. Just because there's no open fighting yet doesn't mean that everything's okay right now.
Australia, I agree, is extremely dangerous, and that's why I'm insisting on getting rid of it asap. Ranches are not accessible, so might as well sell them. I'm repeating myself but i think Australia probably be destroyed soon and as Penguin already proved , she's not above kicking us while we're down.

While I would like to reinforce inner security, I think it's too early, because factions are still forming. Furthermore, nothing guarantees the canonically incompetent Ministry of Magic will survive to the midgame, especially considering the numbers given by the intrigue option.

Also, while I do admit there are nasty beasts there, I thing you're overestimating the ability of a few hundred australian wizards. Not upgraded units, just baseline wizards whose magic gets no-sold by any HoMM hero. And we still don't know where Fable mechanics come in yet.

That's why I'm advocating getting what we can, whils we can, instead of dwelling in maybes.

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The Australian Wizard we had in the first timeline was so tanky that our Combat-specialized Hero with a talent for Melee combat and insane Luck/Morale procs had trouble putting him down.
He came to Wales because he wanted to take a look at HoMM3 Dragons appearing back into the world. Said Dragons were larger than Harry Potter Dragons.
Granted, he was immune to fire so that just meant he had to endure their teeth and claws.

These are the kind of people that choose to live in a land filled with Xenomorphs and genocidal wildlife.
Think Hagrid with regards to dangerous creature attitude.

Qeqre said:

The Australian Wizard we had in the first timeline was so tanky that our Combat-specialized Hero with a talent for Melee combat and insane Luck/Morale procs had trouble putting him down.

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Yyyeah, nipping that in the bud right now, that's because Oliver was level 14 when Martha attacked and it has to do with his own build and abilities as a holder of a special class. He really isn't someone you should use as an example of anyone, especially not as an example of wizardkind, considering he's a hybrid, and so is Hagrid.

Do we have any other hybrids stacked away in Australia.

LordPenguin said:

Yyyeah, nipping that in the bud right now, that's because Oliver was level 14 when Martha attacked and it has to do with his own build and abilities as a holder of a special class. He really isn't someone you should use as an example of anyone, especially not as an example of wizardkind, considering he's a hybrid, and so is Hagrid.

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And also the product of a nat100. Can't forget that.

Alright, I did some rereading of the thread because some of the discussions here are rather... Uninformed, compared to the list of information I gave out in the discord, so allow me to put up a few points that should have been brought out.

What the discord knew:
I'll start with the obvious. What saved the Ministry last quest was Scrimgeour. Scrimgeour who, in 1980-81 was in America. Madeye is still alive and in Dumbledore's pocket.
The one who trained the maids in combat was Madeye.
Land of the Dead is a staple of Death faction, regardless of what intentions you have.
OG Cerridwen is firmly opposed to anything that wouls muddle the natural order of life and death.
Speaking of which, you ought to start thinking about those guys too. They're kinda important, since, you know, they can choose to share intel.
Nature and Life are Empathy related factions. Keep that in mind.

Without Elizabeth with you, you guys don't have a safety net anymore. You will have to commit to a path and stay there.


Now to answer questions!

Prime 2.0 said:

@LordPenguin, what's your policy on editing plan definitions?

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You need to at least say that you've edited stuff so that people voting for you are aware of what they're voting for.

Nordlending said:

their success rate last round.

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Yeah... Contrarily to you, Scrimgeour managed to avoid a game over, so technically, that puts him above you on that point. Lily doesn't count since she was intended to be the proof of concept of the 'poor compatibility kills' principle.

Nordlending said:

there is one less death anchor to go around

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Ah, something else from the discord that hasn't come up. You know, Scrimgeour last quest found the anchor on his paperwork. After a bit of time, anchors will form and move by themselves. Which means that it's effectively pointless to try and cockblock Riddle on that front as he's the one with The Greatest Death affinity around. It will literally fall onto his lap when the time is right, and contrarily to Dace, he's aware of the fact. Unless, of course, you feel like wasting mysticism actions every turn on it.

Nordlending said:

Do we have any other hybrids stacked away in Australia.

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Does Dace knows the names of all of his employees? If the answer is 'No', then it's an OOC question.

Prime 2.0 said:

And also the product of a nat100. Can't forget that.

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It's worse. Come late game, Oliver was designed to be a Nature faction leader able to fight the Overlord on equal grounds. The fact he got empowered by 2 dragon related Nat 100s only made it worse.

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Yyyeah, nipping that in the bud right now, that's because Oliver was level 14 when Martha attacked and it has to do with his own build and abilities as a holder of a special class. He really isn't someone you should use as an example of anyone, especially not as an example of wizardkind, considering he's a hybrid, and so is Hagrid.

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LordPenguin said:

It's worse. Come late game, Oliver was designed to be a Nature faction leader able to fight the Overlord on equal grounds. The fact he got empowered by 2 dragon related Nat 100s only made it worse.

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Sure, Oliver was an outlier given that he was the head of the preserves.
But if we were to get Druids again, I'd expect most of them to be good candidates. And probably skilled enough to not suffer the untrained malus.

Which is why I called it an army, not an I Win Botton.

Oh wow haha I was pointed to actually vote here on something called the "best plan."

I'm uh.

Yeah I'm not going for nature from my knowledge of the last go around.

And this is leveraging our fun stats in my opinion so.

[X] Let's Order some Intrigue

[X] Plan Let's Order some Intrigue

[X] Plan Let's Order some Drugs

I could go along with that plan if it was death.

Death is wisdom in my eyes, while order is intelligence.

Since there is a 24 hour delay .I will make that plan with death instead.

Empathy can be trained(even if it probably requires us to spend time getting to know our Subordinates first so we can play matchmaker) and I'm kinda hoping that some of it can be recovered by sorting out his memories of the other timeline.

If the issue is more the Nature Anchor than the city, I'd be willing to go Order just fine.
Alternatively, we could go Chaos Dace and kick things off with a trolling rampage. Wreck absolutely everything and watch the world burn. We might "lose" to the Shadows but it'll probably be a fun ride nevertheless.

I do take issue with not going for the big city though. Grails and Anchors aren't exactly inconspicuous, the Economy won't last long and the massive project at least comes pre-fortified and self-sufficient.

Mainly, this plan is a counter wagon of sorts against Order, and since we have obtained some new info on nature. Mainly the affinity trouble. That's why we are going death.

First we got contacting the ministry. Mainly to let them know we are preparing for bad times. They already suspect it, so telling them it won't hurt. It will suspect worse things.

Next we got salvaging ranches. Chance of some unexpected boosts, and money in the short term. Big project for the school I am intending to bring over. Things that goes together has a bigger chance of making the action succeed. It also makes the Abbots likes us better, which is positive I guess.

Security chief, because we don't want to offend the ministry, and might give us something interesting. The chance of succeeding is also higher.

The Rumor mill gives us info about what happens around us. Its rather useful. Spying on Voldie might give us a bonus on the Alfie action. Maybe give us a clue on how to fix that curse.

Death Anchor. Obviously. The faction that most likely have something that can delay HB.

[X] Plan: The death faction knows how to build sharp looking cities.
[X] Visit the Ministry, try to build up contacts. The people over there like him well enough, but one never knows who they can meet, and what they can find. Besides, he's been acting like a recluse the last month, that's bound to make some people nervous.
60% Chance of success.
STEWARDSHIP
[X] Sell business:
-[X]Ranches : 800,000 G
--[X] Salvage operations: You may recall some personnel and creatures back to your base, but results wil be variable and will dock 100,000G off the ranches' value.
[X] Buy the surrounding lands. Dace's manor is situated in a forest, with no neighbors in sight. More space would mean more room to expand.
Costs: 100,000 G
[X] Build accomodations [Requires: Buy the surrounding lands] . Having those nearby means that Dace's servants could invite people to live there, increasing the pool of manpower he can draw on. It will also increase their happiness, since they won't have to worry overly much about their families.
-[X] Major settlement: Housing, entertainment, animal pens and room for expansion, this small town is pretty much self sufficient.
Costs: 179,000 G (Available due to previous choices)
Once settled, will gain Dace 912,500 G (all charges and taxes taken care of) per turn.
The Abbot Family will like you more. + 10 to recruitment rolls.
MARTIAL
[X] Find a Security Chief (Martial adviser). Dace needs all the help. 5,000 G
INTRIGUE
[X] Keep an ear to the ground. Things happen around here, that Dace should keep an eye on.
Opens Rumor mill.
[X] Plot against: (Will receive intel on their moves, plus additional actions if the opportunity arises.)
-[X] Voldemort's band of hooligans.
50% Chance of success
LEARNING
[X] Relocate the Academy [Available due to previous choices][Requires massive project] : The world as Dace knows it is ending. He was certain of it. As such, it wouldn't be unreasonable to gather his resources and assets in order to keep them safe.
Costs: 100,000 G
The Gwallawg Academy of Superior Learning will be relocated to the unnamed town. It will be safer and open the way for upgrades, but the number of subjects taught to heroes will go down to four.
[X] The old tales are sometimes true. Dace deals with facts, and those facts point towards something very alarming. He may want to look into that.
75% Chance of success.
Dace learns what is the 'darkness' that was reported to have eaten both Americas.
MYSTICISM
[X] Anchor hunting. [Requires sorting Memories] Dace remembers those, and the power they bring to bear. However, he still needs to look for them.
-[X] Write in Anchor type (DEATH]


[X] Spend time with Social Links.(+2 RP)
-[X] Aife (+3 RP) : She's mentally ill, and Dace is fairly sure that if he lets her go out, she'll do something that will damage his reputation, so he might as well try to fix her.
[X] Sorting Memories. Dace currently has two sets of memories, which sometimes contradict, and unless it's too important, he leans towards letting that inaccurate information go. It's not worth the debilitating headaches and confusion.
Chance of success: ???
Dace sorts his memories and salvages actionable information.

Pandacea, Lord of all Penguins08/21/2018 you wouldn't be far off the truth since, indeed Order faction is about magic, alchemy, and technomagic(edited) Moon does had an unrestricted unfettered and an aura that reduced negative magical effects by 75%. That's why you should care!

Pandacea, Lord of all Penguins09/16/2018 Life: Diplomacy
Nature: Stewardship
Chaos: Martial
Death:Intrigue
Order: Learning
Conflux: Mysticism


Pandacea, Lord of all PenguinsYesterday at 7:33 AM
Order/Death/Chaos/Nature/Life
in order of affinity

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From the Dacequest Discord on what Order Faction stuff is about and what stat synchs up best to what Faction. Also, what Dace's best affinities are and what his worst are from best to worst.

Worth noting:

LordPenguin said:

2/10 RP to next level
Dace's rebellious daughter, very impulsive, she did, however become more agreeable after her graduation from Hogwarts and seems to be trying to connect with Dace. Her learning recently about Dace's disability had her becoming more docile. Still, her marriage with Rosier causes their newborn relationship to be strained.

SL3: Divine Wrath: Aife's hatred of Evil in all its forms lead her to teach your people techniques she learned from somewhere to fight them.
-All your armies do +10 Damage against Evil enemies (Chaos and Death Factions)

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Aife will hate us if we go Chaos or Death and training Empathy might be a big part of getting her on our side.

The same might apply with regards to Social Linking and/or keeping Dumbledore from becoming our enemy.

Also:

LordPenguin said:

Land of the dead:

Death comes for all, and for those who welcome it, safety. A cradle. A bed where all will lay to rest, even the world itself.

- -1 Morale to all living units passing through dead lands. Will spread indefinitely if left unchecked.
- Impossible to cast spells over level 1 for everyone, including death faction members.

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I think people might care if the land starts dying due to Dace's existence. Might make us additional enemies unless we find a way to keep it in check.

No spells does make battles more predictable though. And the fog machine is great for keeping your true numbers hidden.

[X] Plan: Stay calm and keep being a Boomer.

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[X] Plan cutting our losses.

Mathematicae said:

Individuals have magic types that they are more or less aligned towards and anchors tend to seek out like-minded individuals.

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LordPenguin said:

Ah, something else from the discord that hasn't come up. You know, Scrimgeour last quest found the anchor on his paperwork. After a bit of time, anchors will form and move by themselves. Which means that it's effectively pointless to try and cockblock Riddle on that front as he's the one with The Greatest Death affinity around. It will literally fall onto his lap when the time is right, and contrarily to Dace, he's aware of the fact. Unless, of course, you feel like wasting mysticism actions every turn on it

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Perhaps my infodump wasn't clear enough?

Looked over the votes because some people be spamming me on other venues

[X] Plan Let's Order some Intrigue

So plan order wins now.
Coolio