Can you have Japanese/Eastern servants in the Fuyuki Holy Grail War?


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So will this quest go beyond the grail war? At the pace we're moving, I could see the Red and Black factions being wiped out within a week or two and I'm very interested to see the effects of this war of the greater-Nasuverse. The fact that Arcueid, who is already one of TYPE MOON's heavy hitters, summoned a version of Gil that is willing to assist to his fullest is something that I can see a lot of people flipping their lids over. Even beyond that, the idea of Arc and Gil just wandering the earth after the war is over could provide plenty of material.

If you can survive to the end of the war then perhaps, we'll see but don't underestimate your chances of dying since they're not insubstantial.

@Zhaitan, a question. Is Ruler aware that the black faction had been taken over by Roa in any form? And is the red faction aware as well as a whole?

Roa just took it over today and only made subtle moves before so not yet they might have a vague idea that something major happened with their revelation skills to the black faction but it doesn't tell them exactly what happened to them so they won't know exactly what's going on until they make contact with either us, Darnic or Roa's Black faction
 
It is mostly dependent on your choices and my rolls but around what I would consider 20ish percent?

Doesn't Arc have bullshit-tier resurrection? Even if doing it weakened her to the point where Roa could curbstomp her, she did come back from being sliced to pieces w/ the MEODP, which permakilled anyone and anything else that they were used on.

Arc isn't immortal and I can see her being killed by a powerful enough servant, especially while weakened like she is, but %20 seems a bit high for someone who is only below adult-gill, ⌈VOID⌋ Ryougi, Archetype Earth (Arc at full potential), Beasts, and Aristotles in terms of power and has ko-gil for backup.

That said, I don't know any of what's going on in the background, so you probably have some reason that I don't know about.
 
Doesn't Arc have bullshit-tier resurrection? Even if doing it weakened her to the point where Roa could curbstomp her, she did come back from being sliced to pieces w/ the MEODP, which permakilled anyone and anything else that they were used on.

That was only possible because Arc posses enough power to comeback and her point of death had not been piece. The MEODP attack deal by Shiki however still deal enough damage to her soul during the few weeks time of Tsukihime that is possible to permanently kill her or send her into a coma that she can't ever woke up from again.
 
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Interlude 1.4, Crawling Chaos
He had caught her scent, one of his pieces had spotted the White Princess in town, but something strange happened a golden flicker appeared before it's eyes and it was as if the True Ancestor no longer existed, a mirage.

Chaos frowned, he had researched and knew all of Arcueid's abilities yet something like that wasn't in her repertoire, was someone else interfering with his hunt? Still it would avail their interloper nothing in the end, knowing her current location didn't matter if he knew where she was going to be and Nrvnqsr saw the direction she was going. It was child's play for a former alchemist such as himself to calculate where her destination would be.

forming one of his beasts into an eagle Chaos got a bird's eye view, her destination was an isolated castle near the town. It was probably where Roa was holed up, Chaos pondered whether to rush there to defend his former comrade before dismissing the notion.

It was far more satisfying to prolong the hunt, besides hunting predators was far more exhilarating than hunting prey, Chaos could already imagine the shock on the princess' face once she realized she was never the apex predator in the first place, that he Nrvnqsr Chaos was the true hunter.

The Dark man gave a shark's grin as he slowly walked towards the castle in the distance.



A/N: Short I know, but necessary so no one becomes confused, Chaos rolled a 74 on his search roll so he got arc's trail and with an alchemist's skills finding out where she'll be is easy for him. On another note Nrvnqsr is completely in the dark about servants, he has no clue that they exist yet.
 
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It was far more satisfying to prolong the hunt, besides hunting predators was far more exhilarating than hunting prey, Chaos could already imagine the shock on the princess' face once she realized she was never the apex predator in the first place, that he Nrvnqsr Chaos was the true hunter.

Can't wait for Chaos face if he manage to reach and face Arcueid. Right now, Arcueid arm to the tooth for killing Dead Apostle Ancestors.

The Dark man gave a shark's grin as he slowly walked towards the castle in the distance.

An already bad situation could end up becoming even worse.
 
Okay here's the Tally I'll be closing the votes tomorrow, I could easily write the next chapter and finish it today but I'll let more people get their chance to vote.

Doesn't Arc have bullshit-tier resurrection? Even if doing it weakened her to the point where Roa could curbstomp her, she did come back from being sliced to pieces w/ the MEODP, which permakilled anyone and anything else that they were used on.

Yes her regeneration factor and ability to ressurect are strong but they're not absolute I mean look at Tiamat, she had an immortality factor that outstripped Arc's by a hundredfold IMO and she still died to servants, so yeah it's not impossible.
Adhoc vote count started by Zhaitan on Jul 10, 2018 at 12:00 AM, finished with 31 posts and 8 votes.

  • [x] Target the boy he's a master right, while his servant is distracted now is the time to strike!
    [X] Berserker of Red is a woman with grey cat ears on top of her head, they match her hair.
    [X] Berserker of Red is a blue haired man with a cold expression adorning his face.
    -[X] Kill him quickly and efficiently, perhaps weakening berserker and not wasting too much time.
    [X] Berserker of Red is a giant with a horned helm on his head, his white hair spilling out of it.
    [X] you ignore them both in favor of finding Roa. You were nearly there after all; your smile was all teeth.
    -[x] Use rule breaker, maybe that might work on whatever is affecting the boy, having that servant on your side seems nice.
    -[X] Use rule breaker, maybe that might work on whatever is affecting the boy, having that servant on your side seems nice.

Adhoc vote count started by Zhaitan on Jul 10, 2018 at 12:01 AM, finished with 31 posts and 8 votes.

  • [x] Target the boy he's a master right, while his servant is distracted now is the time to strike!
    [X] Berserker of Red is a woman with grey cat ears on top of her head, they match her hair.
    [X] Berserker of Red is a blue haired man with a cold expression adorning his face.
    -[X] Kill him quickly and efficiently, perhaps weakening berserker and not wasting too much time.
    [X] Berserker of Red is a giant with a horned helm on his head, his white hair spilling out of it.
    [X] you ignore them both in favor of finding Roa. You were nearly there after all; your smile was all teeth.
    -[x] Use rule breaker, maybe that might work on whatever is affecting the boy, having that servant on your side seems nice.
    -[X] Use rule breaker, maybe that might work on whatever is affecting the boy, having that servant on your side seems nice.
 
[X] Target the boy he's a master right, while his servant is distracted now is the time to strike!
-[X] Kill him quickly and efficiently, perhaps weakening berserker and not wasting too much time.

[X] Berserker of Red is a woman with grey cat ears on top of her head, they match her hair.
 
Question. It is possible for Arcueid to acquire Ruler as her servant?

Hmmm that would be extremely difficult because rulers currently inhabiting a living host as well as being sustained by the grail itself, since she doesn't even need a master, honestly there is almost no chance unless she willingly wants to become our servant for some reason.
There are a few other ways but they're all morally despicable and something Arcueid wouldn't bother to do, Roa on the other hand...
 
Q&A
This is a mega-thread mark for all story relevant questions in the thread this is to aggregate my answers so people don't miss them or have to read through all the pages in the thread to see them.

Q: So that's what happened in all the previous wars! Arcueid murdered everything! It all makes sense now.

A: lol I wasn't referring to an outside force killing every master and servant just the usual event of the grail not granting anything, I mean the only time we know the grail granted anything was through F/GO and Animusphere+Solomon who won the wish. Solomon was a weirdo though and asked to be weaker and not have powers, guess he didn't like his clairvoyance or expectations ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Q: Does Kid Gil able to use Sha Naqba Imuru?
Terran Imperium said:

A: If it helps clear things up here's Gilgamesh's stat page that I will use but in short yes.

EVA-Saiyajin said:
Q: How might one speak of Ko-Gil's personality?

A: I'm going to write him as a more tone downed Gilgamesh who's a lot less arrogant and more polite but still has a mischievous streak since he's essentially a kid.

Rjrulew said:
Q: He was actually the perfect king its said that if he knew what he would become he would have killed himself to avoid subjecting his people to that jackass

A: What personality is a perfect king is there a guideline that a perfect king must act a certain way? Must a king always act dignified or happy to be perfect, can they never be sad? I don't think so I just think that passage refers to Gilgamesh not wanting to abuse his citizen's like a tyrant which is what older Gil did essentially.

kitsune9 said:
Q: Is there a reason why we can't steal the red factions command seals.

A: The Red Faction's masters are currently protected by assassin's hanging gardens of Babylon,Gilgamesh can already see that path is not optimal so he didn't include it, of course you can still rule breaker a red servant but without taking the command seals it'll be hard for Gilgamesh to forge a bond between the stolen servant and Arcueid.

Pokly said:
Goddamit, sonuvab**** Fiore of all people ? The nicest person in the black faction ? Is this the Q: result of dice roll or pre-determined ?

A: It was a random roll, the other candidates were Caules, Roche, Darnic and the master of Karna.

BoundaryPhantasm said:
Q: Is it still possible to save Caules and Fiore currently when Arc and Gil attack Yggmillennia the next night? If I remember correctly, the Gate of Babylon have an holy grail inside it that could be used to save them.

A: With Gilgamesh's bullshit there should be a way but Arc wouldn't do it, She has more important things to worry about such as killing Roa stopping stuff like this from happening in the first place though perhaps Gilgamesh would if he wanted to.

Prospalz said:
Q: A bit hard to believe Kogil would allow anyone use the Ea, but I don't think I wanna be picky about characterization now, tbh. Probably a wrong quest for that.

A: Yeah it was a combination of multiple things that made him hand it over, First was simply the crit roll but the in character reasons were that this Gil again loves humanity he doesn't want to risk it being wiped out or his master dying if he could do anything to prevent it, the next is that this Gil isn't nearly as stuck up and arrogant as his older counterpart so it let's him swallow his pride, he trusts Arc to use it responsibly as his first and best friend and finally the thing that seperates him from Older Gil is that he can't use it with his current mana if he could we would never even consider handing it over and even then with all these reasons Gil was still extremely reluctant to let it go.

Frozen Flame said:
Q: So will this quest go beyond the grail war? At the pace we're moving, I could see the Red and Black factions being wiped out within a week or two and I'm very interested to see the effects of this war of the greater-Nasuverse. The fact that Arcueid, who is already one of TYPE MOON's heavy hitters, summoned a version of Gil that is willing to assist to his fullest is something that I can see a lot of people flipping their lids over. Even beyond that, the idea of Arc and Gil just wandering the earth after the war is over could provide plenty of material.

A: If you can survive to the end of the war then perhaps, we'll see but don't underestimate your chances of dying since they're not insubstantial.

BoundaryPhantasm said:
Q: @Zhaitan, a question. Is Ruler aware that the black faction had been taken over by Roa in any form? And is the red faction aware as well as a whole?

A: Roa just took it over today and only made subtle moves before so not yet they might have a vague idea that something major happened with their revelation skills to the black faction but it doesn't tell them exactly what happened to them so they won't know exactly what's going on until they make contact with either us, Darnic or Roa's Black faction

BoundaryPhantasm said:
Q: In terms of percentage in estimation, what is the value?

A: It is mostly dependent on your choices and my rolls but around what I would consider 20ish percent?

Frozen Flame said:
Q: Doesn't Arc have bullshit-tier resurrection? Even if doing it weakened her to the point where Roa could curbstomp her, she did come back from being sliced to pieces w/ the MEODP, which permakilled anyone and anything else that they were used on.

A: Yes her regeneration factor and ability to resurrect are strong but they're not absolute I mean look at Tiamat, she had an immortality factor that outstripped Arc's by a hundredfold IMO and she still died to servants, so yeah it's not impossible.

BoundaryPhantasm said:
Q: Question. It is possible for Arcueid to acquire Ruler as her servant?

A: Hmmm that would be extremely difficult because rulers currently inhabiting a living host as well as being sustained by the grail itself, since she doesn't even need a master, honestly there is almost no chance unless she willingly wants to become our servant for some reason.
There are a few other ways but they're all morally despicable and something Arcueid wouldn't bother to do, Roa on the other hand...

BoundaryPhantasm said:
Q: @Zhaitan, it possible for Arcueid to keep the holy grail if she win the war and used it to travel across the multiverse of Nasuverse?

A: If she wins thoroughly enough then yes, she can keep the grail, Gil will probably just put it in his gate. As for traveling through to different nasuverse timelines and worlds she'd have to wish for the Second True Magic The Kaleidoscope.

BoundaryPhantasm said:
Q: What the limit of the Holy Grail for this quest after seven servants fill it? Will it be a perpetual wish granting machine or it will shut down after granting the two wishes?

A: It honestly depends on the wish But if all servants except Gil perish two wishes can be granted an infinite wish granter though? If you wished for that perhaps the Grail would make multiple Grail Wars, simply put it doesn't have enough energy to do that since the energy for the wishes comes from the defeated servants in the first place.
 
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@Zhaitan, it possible for Arcueid to keep the holy grail if she win the war and used it to travel across the multiverse of Nasuverse?

If she wins thoroughly enough then yes, she can keep the grail, Gil will probably just put it in his gate. As for traveling through to different nasuverse timelines and worlds she'd have to wish for the Second True Magic The Kaleidoscope.
 
[X] Berserker of Red is a woman with grey cat ears on top of her head, they match her hair.
[X] Use rule breaker, maybe that might work on whatever is affecting the boy, having that servant on your side seems nice.
 
If she wins thoroughly enough then yes, she can keep the grail, Gil will probably just put it in his gate. As for traveling through to different nasuverse timelines and worlds she'd have to wish for the Second True Magic The Kaleidoscope.

What the limit of the Holy Grail for this quest after seven servants fill it? Will it be a perpetual wish granting machine or it will shut down after granting the two wishes?
 
What the limit of the Holy Grail for this quest after seven servants fill it? Will it be a perpetual wish granting machine or it will shut down after granting the two wishes?

It honestly depends on the wish But if all servants except Gil perish two wishes can be granted an infinite wish granter though? If you wished for that perhaps the Grail would make multiple Grail Wars, simply put it doesn't have enough energy to do that since the energy for the wishes comes from the defeated servants in the first place.
 
It honestly depends on the wish But if all servants except Gil perish two wishes can be granted an infinite wish granter though? If you wished for that perhaps the Grail would make multiple Grail Wars, simply put it doesn't have enough energy to do that since the energy for the wishes comes from the defeated servants in the first place.

Sorry. I express my question wrongly. I mean how many wishes can the grail grant after seven servant fill it for this quest? In practice for a normal holy grail war, six servants are needed to grant two wishes as long as its within limit of the world while seven servants are needed for grant wishes on the scale that is equal to true magic. The Fuyuki Grail System in once had seven servants can punch a hole to Akasha thus granting it an infinite source of mana. It was because of that that it would be able to grant Amakusa wishes for using the third magic on the whole of humanity.
 
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The Fuyuki Grail System in once had seven servants can punch a hole to Akasha thus granting it an infinite source of mana. It was because of that that it would be able to grant Amakusa wishes for using the third magic on the whole of humanity.

I'll admit I didn't know the Grail could do that to get a source of infinite energy, Could I get a source?
 
I'll admit I didn't know the Grail could do that to get a source of infinite energy, Could I get a source?

Holy Grail

Here the page link and details on the Holy Grail. For the Fuyuki Holy Grail system, it main purpose is actually to open a pathway to Akasha and allow a chance to acquire true magic, specially the third magic, Heaven Feel. The wish granting aspect was just merely a bonus and bait for Heroic Spirit to answer the call. The only reason why the grail would become useless afterwards was once someone used that path, the grail would fulfill its original purpose and with the law of how acquire true magic works, the grail will shut down and the path close. If no one used that path and merely used the wish granting aspect of the grail, with seven servants fill the grail and a link to Akasha open, the grail will have infinite mana to grant wishes with no limitation.

In Fate Apocrypha, after Amakusa stole the Greater Grail, it how Amakusa kept the loyalty of the remaining servant of Red faction except for Karna and Shakespeare. The grail only needed one more servant at that point to reach full utility and like Amakusa promised, it would grant all the wishes of the red faction servants that follow him.

It also how the Holy Grails in the seven singularity in Grand Order timelines able to keep on spawning servants, summon stuff from other timelines and do all kind of things like travel to another timeline, linking two different timeline together, and be able to continue to use it non-stop. The only reason why it wan't used continuously because it has limit on how many wishes it could grant per time and how many things it could do per time. And the fact it could be stolen and used by anyone.
 
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[X] Target the boy he's a master right, while his servant is distracted now is the time to strike!
-[X] Kill him quickly and efficiently, perhaps weakening berserker and not wasting too much time.

[X] Berserker of Red is a woman with grey cat ears on top of her head, they match her hair.
 
If no one used that path and merely used the wish granting aspect of the grail, with seven servants fill the grail and a link to Akasha open, the grail will have infinite mana to grant wishes with no limitation.

What you're saying makes sense but I'm not seeing that mentioned anywhere on the Grail page.. >.<

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Adhoc vote count started by Zhaitan on Jul 10, 2018 at 10:49 AM, finished with 47 posts and 11 votes.

  • [X] Berserker of Red is a woman with grey cat ears on top of her head, they match her hair.
    [x] Target the boy he's a master right, while his servant is distracted now is the time to strike!
    -[X] Kill him quickly and efficiently, perhaps weakening berserker and not wasting too much time.
    [X] Berserker of Red is a blue haired man with a cold expression adorning his face.
    [X] Berserker of Red is a giant with a horned helm on his head, his white hair spilling out of it.
    [X] you ignore them both in favor of finding Roa. You were nearly there after all; your smile was all teeth.
    -[x] Use rule breaker, maybe that might work on whatever is affecting the boy, having that servant on your side seems nice.
    -[X] Use rule breaker, maybe that might work on whatever is affecting the boy, having that servant on your side seems nice.
    [X] Use rule breaker, maybe that might work on whatever is affecting the boy, having that servant on your side seems nice.
 
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