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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Goldfish said:
Yes. We will NEVER plan a combat encounter with this level of danger around gathering sacrifices. There are plenty of captured Daemon cultists for sacrificial purposes.
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There aren't. I saw nothing about prisoners being taken among the cultists, only about how they were soundly beaten. This "plenty of captured Daemon cultists" doesn't exist.

EDIT: And even if they were captured, we have thread members raising a stink about how we shouldn't openly sacrifice humans, making those sacrifices a lot less valuable if they have to be done out of sight.
 
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@Duesal Buffed as she is at the moment, Dany's Dismissal spell DC is 23. Chaining it reduces it to 19 for all secondary targets. We will be lucky to get two of them in the effect.

We can still capture some of them. This is about thinning the herd somewhat. Each of them is very dangerous all in its own, nevermind four of them with other Daemon backup.
 
Losing sacrifices is a shame. Losing PC lives is far worse.
Therefore in pitched battles like this, I will always favor killing things. Hopefully we'll find enough loot for a few trees somewhere.
 
Goldfish said:
-[X] Viserys uses Dispelling Breath along with the Searing and Agonizing effects to augment his breath weapon, targeting the leader and as many Daemons as possible.
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Nothing says the breath can't be maximized ;)

Should turn out to be a flat 110 damage if the Protection from Fire goes.

I wonder if having Lya or Dany help to Dispel wouldn't be good.
 
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Duesal said:
There aren't. I saw nothing about prisoners being taken among the cultists, only about how they were soundly beaten. This "plenty of captured Daemon cultists" doesn't exist.

EDIT: And even if they were captured, we have thread members raising a stink about how we shouldn't openly sacrifice humans, making those sacrifices a lot less valuable if they have to be done out of sight.
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@TalonofAnathrax has the right of it. It would be far too easy to lose a PC in this fight if we dick around trying to capture sacrifices.

We only have a couple of methods to capture Daemons, since they can use Greater Teleport at will. Baleful Polymorph, which requires Viserys, and Smokey Confinement, which requires Viserys or Lya and a successful Touch Attack.

So when exactly are we supposed to gather sacrifices when there is massed combat happening everywhere, against hideously dangerous enemies?

The leader is probably a powerful spellcaster of some sort, so we can't play with him lest we suffer the consequences.
 
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Goldfish said:
@Duesal Buffed as she is at the moment, Dany's Dismissal spell DC is 23. Chaining it reduces it to 19 for all secondary targets. We will be lucky to get two of them in the effect.

We can still capture some of them. This is about thinning the herd somewhat. Each of them is very dangerous all in its own, nevermind four of them with other Daemon backup.
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Every. Single. Sacrifice thus far has been squandered. The Temerdaemon who we could have easily captured and proceeded to replenish our spells. The Leukodaemons who would have been easier to capture. Even the lesser daemons running around have been completely ignored. I wouldn't be so bitter about this if you weren't so consistently against capturing sacrifices. This was supposed to be a haven where we could get enough daemons to grow a Tier-3 Heart Tree several times over. Instead I'm watching us kill or banish these things one after the next.
 
I awoke from my slumber to day one simple thing.

For not even trying to get sacrifices, you suck, people.

Now, I'm off to the salt-cave. For sleep too.
Don't expect me to return soon.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
Nothing says the breath can't be maximized ;)

Should turn out to be a flat 110 damage if the Protection from Fire goes.

I wonder if having Lya or Dany help to Dispel wouldn't be good.
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Added Maximize Breath to the plan.

Dany's Dismissal could remove one or more Thanadaemons, which would be a huge help. Not sure how much more helpful a Greater Dispel Magic would be when weighed against that. Lya's Dispel Magic caps at +10 and what she's currently slated for could have much more effect on the enemy group.
 
Duesal said:
Every. Single. Sacrifice thus far has been squandered. The Temerdaemon who we could have easily captured and proceeded to replenish our spells. The Leukodaemons who would have been easier to capture. Even the lesser daemons running around have been completely ignored. I wouldn't be so bitter about this if you weren't so consistently against capturing sacrifices. This was supposed to be a haven where we could get enough daemons to grow a Tier-3 Heart Tree several times over. Instead I'm watching us kill or banish these things one after the next.
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I wasn't against capturing the Leukodaemons. They've just been getting killed by everyone before we could capture them.

Dany Banished the Temerdaemon without our input, since that wasn't involved in the winning plan, IIRC.

We can still capture some Thanadaemons, but we need to take care of the leader first.

And it's just too damned bad if people have an issue with us sacrificing Daemon cultists. Any of them that lives when this is over can go to the OG.
 
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Duesal said:
This was supposed to be a haven where we could get enough daemons to grow a Tier-3 Heart Tree several times over. Instead I'm watching us kill or banish these things one after the next.
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I'll have to disagree with this, we are supposed to take a city and look good doing it.

Anything else is secondary, including sacrifices.
 
Guys, the city is so immensely richer than encounter treasure that the loot isn't a problem, as we really should start buying higher level stuff at the Vault.

I know losing sacrifices sucks, but high level battles isn't the time for it.

Hopefully, Irony has been doing a good job, or we have captured some cultists.

Or really, we could always hit somewhere like Molten Skies for sacrifices.

Bottomline, this isn't a raid. It's an invasion.
 
Goldfish said:
I wasn't against capturing the Leukodaemons. They've just been getting killed by everyone before we could capture them.

Dany Banished the Temerdaemon without our input, since that wasn't involved in the winning plan, IIRC.

We can still capture some Thanadaemons, but we need to take care of the leader first.

And it's just too canned bad if people have an issue with us sacrificing Daemon cultists. Any of them that lives when this is over can go to the OG.
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With the Temerdaemon, we decided to go with a plan for petrification instead of the tried-and-tested Baleful Polymorph. To no one's surprise, petrification falls flat. It's the Leukodaemons' fault for getting killed off, I'll give you that. But the cultists. Oh, the cultists. There are two problems with them. Not only do thread members not want to sacrifice them due to the PR hit of mass human sacrifice--the Archons would object. For that reason cultists are shitty sacrifices compared to the daemons that could have been taken. You want to sacrifice the cultists? So do I. But as far as I can tell, not only have they not been taken captive, but I have little hope of actually turning them into fertilizer.

I'm genuinely ready to just give up and wait for Sothoryos. There at least we can get some nice spiders. You win.

[X] Goldfish
 
Demons: corruption and chaotic incompetence.
Daemons: omnicidal maniacs.
Devils: domination and efficient evil.
 
Duesal said:
With the Temerdaemon, we decided to go with a plan for petrification instead of the tried-and-tested Baleful Polymorph. To no one's surprise, petrification falls flat.
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Umm?

They are both Fort Saves and the Flesh to Stone was cast with Bloodwish so was actually a higher check than Baleful Polymorph, if I recall correctly Flesh to Stone was chosen because it would be easier to deal with the sacrifice.
The latter I might be misremembering but you certainly can't blame Flesh to Stone for failing.
 
Duesal said:
With the Temerdaemon, we decided to go with a plan for petrification instead of the tried-and-tested Baleful Polymorph. To no one's surprise, petrification falls flat. It's the Leukodaemons' fault for getting killed off, I'll give you that. But the cultists. Oh, the cultists. There are two problems with them. Not only do thread members not want to sacrifice them due to the PR hit of mass human sacrifice--the Archons would object. For that reason cultists are shitty sacrifices compared to the daemons that could have been taken. You want to sacrifice the cultists? So do I. But as far as I can tell, not only have they not been taken captive, but I have little hope of actually turning them into fertilizer.

I'm genuinely ready to just give up and wait for Sothoryos. There at least we can get some nice spiders. You win.

[X] Goldfish
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Baleful Polymorph would have targeted Mero just the same as Flesh to Stone, and targeted his Fortitude as well, but would have had a save DC two points lower. If one didn't work, the other wouldn't have either.

The Archons can object all they want. Let them make an issue of it after we find the sacrificial altars, or the remains of victims, or the penned up slaves and kidnapped victims waiting to be sacrificed. And I think we can overrule those thread members squeamish about sacrificing the cultists; there are more of us than them.
 
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