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And if her power was anything other than superspeed, that might actually be comforting. As it is, I've already commented on that, Re: Five minute headstart
From what I`ve seen of it, their tech and magic and whatever else they`ve got is really good for fixing people.
Also, power rings are awesome. And they have their own superspeed.

At that point, she was a bit obsessive and devoted to Kira.
Imagine if that was Mikami Gravy just awakened and gave powers to.
 
I only saw Death Note up until L's death. At that point, she was a bit obsessive and devoted to Kira. I wouldn't diagnose her with other disorders beyond that. Certainly, she was capable of having feelings for other people which suggests that she wasn't a sociopath. People who are perfectly psychologically healthy kill other people every day, it isn't anything to base a diagnosis on. Bipolar? I didn't see it. She experienced major swings in mood based on how much of an arse Light was being, but that has a far more mundane explanation.
Sociopathy is the one where you lack the ability to empathize with others IE put yourself in their position, have a week but existent conscience, and tend to be hot headed.

You are might be thinking of Psychopathy.
 
I can't believe that after all the bad shit and character development over the last few months that people are still whining about Renegade.

I mean sure it was a little annoying that it seemed like he wasn't getting any consequences at first but we have passed that criticism by a few miles now..

Paragon has a veritable army of allies and a horde of schizotech that he's acquired. And is on very good terms with John Constantine. And has the Ophidian.

I don't think you can objectively criticize Renegade's solutions if you don't have a problem with Paragon's.

Just look at the Nabu situation:

Renegade immediately starts chewing the entire league out after this incident for all their faults, as he comes to the realization that most of them possess an extremely flawed Lawful=Good viewpoint and that this is indirectly causing a huge amount of harm to the world.

Whereas OL is trying to tiptoe around it and is setting up the ambush (heh) for Nabu.Despite several odds and ends chapters of buildup to solve the actual situation, OL hasn't taken the Justice League to task for this extremely shit behavior (I can only hope he does after the situation is resolved).

The worst you can say is that you find the character a mildly unlikeable person in comparison. But isn't that the point? At worst, he's the dark and edgy mirror of our primary protoganist, and for want of a nail they could've been doing the exact same thing. I'd say that on average its just a blunter less patient version of Paragon that has gone through some drastically different versions of events.
 
I always figured that was kind of the point of the whole story, and what makes him genre-savvy. He's literally the only person in all of comic-book land that sees technology and enhancements that are replicable for mass consumption not being used for the general public, and then striving to make it so. This hasn't been a straight path, there's been no "zero downsides pushing others into obsolescence" situation, and Zoat has been implying heavily there will be repercussions from this event.
I've always considered better to just assume there's a reason things aren't that easy rather than that the protagonist is smarter than an entire planet.
Noooot exactly. Once you've changed the structures of their brain, their genetics and their thought patterns, how are they still the same person?
You're far too attached to the idea that changing a person is inherently negative. From the second to second we're not quite the same person that we were before, even if the change is done over a year rather than an instant you still wouldn't be the same person you were before. To see if a change is negative you have to look at if you'd rather be that way or not.

A change in genetic or even brain structure means nothing, it's the final result which should be looked at (the thought pattern change), in the case of a Kryptonian you'd basically be adding brain power mostly, Superman existence proves that their morality can work just like humans so it's not like you'd have to fear that your moral compass would change.

Also it's kinda hypocritical for the SI to act like he's against his thought pattern being changed, in fact there's downright some cognitive dissonance there. From the get go he was ready to lose his sanity for the chance at power when given an orange ring, even when he saw that it was affecting him his first choice was to decide that he'd try to be the productive kind of insane, rather than being petrified with fear at how his mind was changing. For someone who's so unwilling to change his amygdala to peak human, because he's afraid of changing himself it makes little sense, ironically he was a-ok with turning off his testosterone, something which has far reaching consequences for the mind far behind just attraction.

To add to the disconnect he had a spiel about how someone should be ready in case their power ring were out of order and trained with a ranged weapon to compensate, yet his ring has the equivalent of Panacea powers 2.0, heck 3.0 when you consider he's not limited by base material, his power ring database being full of alien physiology and how it can do extreme finesse on a massive scale. Yet he didn't bother improving his shitty human body. I'm not even talking about changing the aesthetics for function here, just making himself better on a structural level by upgrading what's already there for something better.

I get why he didn't just himself kryptonian narratively speaking, but you can only justify him being so unwilling to better himself up to a point and his position on some matters really point toward a large cognitive dissonance on what's acceptable to change and what's not.
 
I get why he didn't just himself kryptonian narratively speaking, but you can only justify him being so unwilling to better himself up to a point and his position on some matters really point toward a large cognitive dissonance on what's acceptable to change and what's not.
Wait. Are we talking about the SI or the Renegade here? The SI doesn't have the data that would be required to create an entire Kryptonian. That was the problem he had with Match.

The SI has upgraded his body, but only within the bounds of normal Human physiology. This is because if he messes it up he can't fix it, and because his body doesn't quite work like the local ones as far as exotic effects go.
 
You... do remember the episode with the Thanagarians, right? :confused:
Yeah, as of the current episode Grayven has had fully two thirds of the episodes dedicated to him end with him getting horrifically injured in some way, without even the benefit of being able to turn off pain. That's quite a larger proportion than OL.
He was hurt yes, but he also won and got everything he wanted.
Ok now you're being argumentative for the sake of it. Grayven achieved his primary objective, yes. This is also true of literally all of the Paragon bits as well, excepting maybe the fight with Johnny Sorrow. OL has never been so close to death, or in so much pain, as Grayven was for days after the hole got blasted in him and when he stood in the center of a nuclear inferno. For fuck's sake, I honestly think you're reading a completely different story than the rest of us.



Oh, and I forgot who talked about it originally, but on the subject of Gravy getting better ability to hand out super powers: In a couple months of story time, OL will be able to hand out Orange Lantern rings to pretty much anyone he deems adequate. Considering an experienced Lantern is about equal to a full New God with a combative focus, Grayven is actually coming up short in the power granting department. OL can also give rings to aliens, while Grayven largely can't.
 
And Paul also get's his ass kicked and looses on occasion.

Which makes all the difference.
Who would have imagined that avoiding power has a downside. While taking all the powers you can get your grubby hands on makes you actually powerful
Being on venum-rockbuster, with power ring, with new god augmentation, with stolen alien supertech father box, with an army of highly lethal attack drones in subspace all together goes a very long way towards not getting your ass kicked. Certainly further than having only a power ring and nothing else.
 
He was hurt yes, but he also won and got everything he wanted.

Your two criteria were, and I quote,

get's his ass kicked and looses on occasion.

Ignoring the grammar and spelling issues, the first has been rather soundly disputed, since you're not even trying to refute that bit. Grayven and Paul both get kicked around a decent amount. Which leaves the second bit and really, when has Paul lost? The major incident I can think of is Nabu, and I'd say the two came off with relatively even cost/benefit there: Paul got Teth-Adom as an ally but gained Nabu as a (not-exactly-aware) enemy, where Grayven got Nabu as an (unwilling ally) but lost points with the Justice League, which accrued and accrued until he eventually severed ties altogether, the repercussions of which we're still exploring.

excepting maybe the fight with Johnny Sorrow.

...okay, I forgot Johnny Sorrow as well. But note that Paul survived destroying an eldritch artifact that was warping reality around him. It didn't even take him any time to recover. Whereas Grayven... took days to recover from a point-blank nuclear blast. Sure, he survived, but Paul was up and about fixing things immediately after surviving an experience which was objectively far worse.
 
Wait. Are we talking about the SI or the Renegade here? The SI doesn't have the data that would be required to create an entire Kryptonian. That was the problem he had with Match.
It was just an example, if he wanted the data he could just scan Superman base.
The SI has upgraded his body, but only within the bounds of normal Human physiology. This is because if he messes it up he can't fix it, and because his body doesn't quite work like the local ones as far as exotic effects go.
He doesn't need to actually change his brain to see what the change would do, the Ophidian episode was proof enough that he can temporarily make use of a construct on a part of it to see if it would work properly. And he'd have to fuck himself pretty bad to be unable to revert the change and can't he just have his ring be instructed to revert him to his previous state if things go wrong even then? Also even if you ignore brain changes, the rest of his body being modified was what I was talking about and that part is almost risk free in.

Why would he want to limit himself to normal Human physiology exactly? I'm not even thinking about exotic changes, things like subdermal implant for durability, better bones, better muscles, better organs. Improving the general quality of the cells to that of the best cells for each purpose. Improved senses. And I'm sure there's some stuff he could take from aliens out there that wouldn't make him look any different while vastly improving his body and aren't related to the soul.
 
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God help you if you don't include, "And don't kill any innocents while you do so." in there, because she will mow through them like a hot knife through butter to get to the people she thinks are guilty.
Someone who can move Flash-fast and run though walls doesn't actually need to mow through anyone to get at a target.

But you already had Desire make a brief appearance...
The Ophidian is significant on a scale for it to actually make sense for an Endless to notice, and obviously aligned with Desire's domain.

Paragon has a veritable army of allies and a horde of schizotech that he's acquired.
Actually, he has a horde of Demons, and a hoard of schizotech.

If he started collecting different types of demons, he'd have a hoard of hordes. If he got enough of them he'd have a horde of hoarded hordes.
 
Someone who can move Flash-fast and run though walls doesn't actually need to mow through anyone to get at a target.
Running through walls is a high level skill that usually takes years to learn, and that assumes she is even mentally capable of doing it given everyone so far who can has been a certifiable genius.
 
Running through walls is a high level skill that usually takes years to learn, and that assumes she is even mentally capable of doing it given everyone so far who can has been a certifiable genius.

Are you sure? I have only read Waids and the New 52 run of the Flash, but both seem to treat running through walls as an inherent part of his powers. Wallace was only unable to do so because of his messed up Garrick formula.

Misa's also a new god so, even if it is a difficult thing to master she should still be able to get the hang of it pretty quickly.
 
Are you sure? I have only read Waids and the New 52 run of the Flash, but both seem to treat running through walls as an inherent part of his powers. Wallace was only unable to do so because of his messed up Garrick formula.
Actual phasing with Superspeed requires vibrating your molecules at the right frequency to pass through the physical object in question.

Scientifically speaking that means the speedster would need to know the vibrational frequency of the material they are phasing through and what vibrational frequency they need to vibrate their molecules at to pass through it.

On top of which she would also have to figure out how to vibrate her molecules and how to do so at a specific frequency.

Something that's probably pretty hard without a teacher.

Misa's also a new god so, even if it is a difficult thing to master she should still be able to get the hang of it pretty quickly.
Since when does being a New God grant super learning skills? :confused:


And if not, she can just wait outside the courthouse and kill him super fast if the law lets him off
Exactly, much easier that.
 
You're far too attached to the idea that changing a person is inherently negative. From the second to second we're not quite the same person that we were before, even if the change is done over a year rather than an instant you still wouldn't be the same person you were before. To see if a change is negative you have to look at if you'd rather be that way or not.
There's a difference between a forced change to someone's thought patterns and organic growth. If your actions forcibly alter how someone else thinks, that is -- quite literally -- mind control.

Furthermore: We consider it bad when someone has a stroke or a head injury and their personality changes as a result. We say they've "never been the same" and their loved ones say they're like a different person. And if they're a different person, what happened to the OLD person? They no longer exist. They're effectively DEAD.

There's a reason that's a red moral line for even the Renegade. If someone was evil enough to warrant forcing them to be a different person, the Renegade would find it preferable to simply KILL them. Look at how Paragon thinks about Nabu, who has WILLFULLY committed this very act.

Meanwhile, both Paragon and Renegade are okay with restoring lost brain function to effectively resurrect a mind-dead person, although I would imagine that Paragon at least would start to hesitate on that if the post-change individual were an otherwise healthy member of society.

I suppose that (either version of) OL might be willing to heal someone's mental disorder if they were able to meaningfully consent to it, but only if they could do it safely and with minimal other changes... and even with a power ring, the ability to do that is uncertain, because consciousness is a very complicated thing.
 
Look at how Paragon thinks about Nabu, who has WILLFULLY committed this very act.
I largely agree with your post, but Nabu hasn't actually done any mind control. He body jacked Zatara, but Zatara's mind/soul are still fine and even aware of what's happening. He's probably suffered some from the stress of being held captive inside his own body, and things related to that, but I don't think there's any evidence that Nabu has directly and consciously caused Zatara's mind any harm.
 
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