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:rolleyes: You're assuming that Christians have some sort of advantage against demons. Thety might have an advantage against ones from the Christian Hell, but with the Abrahamic faiths much less widespread, the assaociated hell will be much less too (not as many souls going there). Meanwhile the various Eastern hells ("The Chinese have a lot of hells, Jack." :cool:) would be more prominent, and Eastern holymen (and women) would have the advantage against them.

...you're making this sound like religious Pokemon. :V
 
Actually demons aren't that hard to deal with in the DC franchise.

DC uses the bit of folklore about iron being anti-magic.

Batman has an iron batarang for decapitating demons, shown in Legacies.

A superprison's shock restraints for frying inmates who try to use their superpowers blocks magic too because of the iron content, shown in Outsiders.

And Amazing Man once laughed off the cyber-voodoo of Houngan by just turning into iron, shown in Extreme Justice.

Although if Zoat is aware of that he's not using it, because Paul hasn't commissioned a bunch of iron bullets as anti-demon weaponry.

Speaking of Houngan, I'm kind of surprised he hasn't made an appearance in this fic.

A member of Brain's group, he's a computer nerd who came to voudoo later in life, and combined the two. So he has a cyber-voudoo doll.
 
Actually demons aren't that hard to deal with in the DC franchise.

DC uses the bit of folklore about iron being anti-magic.

Batman has an iron batarang for decapitating demons, shown in Legacies.

A superprison's shock restraints for frying inmates who try to use their superpowers blocks magic too because of the iron content, shown in Outsiders.

And Amazing Man once laughed off the cyber-voodoo of Houngan by just turning into iron, shown in Extreme Justice.

Although if Zoat is aware of that he's not using it, because Paul hasn't commissioned a bunch of iron bullets as anti-demon weaponry.

Speaking of Houngan, I'm kind of surprised he hasn't made an appearance in this fic.

A member of Brain's group, he's a computer nerd who came to voudoo later in life, and combined the two. So he has a cyber-voudoo doll.

The only good example I recall of this was in the Brave and the Bold cartoon, when Batman was facing down Gentlemen Ghost. But I haven't read a ton of comics so it's cool to know that it's acknowledged there.

There's no turning back now, like you said, because you can't just stumble upon such a simple weakness this far into the thread.
 
The only good example I recall of this was in the Brave and the Bold cartoon, when Batman was facing down Gentlemen Ghost. But I haven't read a ton of comics so it's cool to know that it's acknowledged there.

There's no turning back now, like you said, because you can't just stumble upon such a simple weakness this far into the thread.

Yes, that would be a rather comedic scene.

Io "I heard you were interested in anti-demon weapons, Pavlos, how many iron weapons would you like?"

"Demons are vulnerable to iron?"

Io- "Iron's antimagic nature allows it to penetrate demonic defenses."

"Iron disrupts magic?!?"

Io "You didn't know that? I thought everyone knew that!"

Paul starts banging his head against the nearest wall.

Oh, another case of iron being antimagic in DC. In the Elseworld style Green Lantern annual, the Nazi made demonic ring couldn't affect iron. So it had that weakness, as well as the fact that it was powered by the souls of twelve plus nazis, who feel free to resist doing something they don't want to help with.

I'd feel sorry for the alt.Paul who has to deal with his ring yelling at him in German when he does something not Nazi like.
 
I've just stumbled upon a silly thing where you append "with a chainsaw" to the title of the book you're reading. An alternate continuity "With this ring and a chainsaw" would make for a pretty interesting read!

And if iron's antimagic, the chainsaw fun would really be doubled.
 
The only good example I recall of this was in the Brave and the Bold cartoon, when Batman was facing down Gentlemen Ghost. But I haven't read a ton of comics so it's cool to know that it's acknowledged there.
If I remember Stargirl correctly, Gentleman Ghost is vulnerable to attacks from virgins.
 
I went through a list of China's old capitals and picked the first that wasn't in the east.

the last two are...central, i guess?
hey im not knocking the choice per se. its a valid. its just... itd be like having England below Hertfordshire be wiped off the map and making the new capital Leicester. yeah, i suppose, but Really? not Manchester or Birmingham?

(equivalents East coast hone; make capital Phoenix)
 
Huh. It's a shame that Nabu 16's... trauma warped him as far as it did- if he was mentally flexible enough to consider that OL's work would eventually result in a more stable, ordered world instead of frothing at the mouth over the social disruptions he was causing in the short term..

You know, I allways wondered what his internal logic was regarding HIS actions when they could be interpreted as chaotic- vanishing criminals in direct violation of the procedures/laws the majority of the league followed, shattering a stable family, his attempts to literally inject DISCORD into his previous host's relationship....
 
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Huh. It's a shame that Nabu 16's... trauma warped him as far as it did- if he was mentally flexible enough to consider that OL's work would eventually result in a more stable, ordered world instead of frothing at the mouth over the social disruptions he was causing in the short term..

You know, I allways wondered what his internal logic was regarding HIS actions when they could be interpreted as chaotic- vanishing criminals in direct violation of the procedures/laws the majority of the league followed, shattering a stable family, his attempts to literally inject DISCORD into his previous host's relationship....
On the other hand, if someone had tried to help him while he was left on a shelf in the trophy roon after Wally promised to find a new wearer, Nabu wouldn't have gotten desperate.
 
According to Wikipedia it was originally a positive term but changed its meaning in the wake of the gamergate scandal
For the record, it was a term I was aware of when I was in college in 2000-2004, so Wikipedia's description is... I won't say it's straight-up wrong but it's definitely incomplete. It didn't quite carry the same connotation then as it does now but it was still used in a mildly derogatory sense, putting a ridiculous label on a particular archetype in order to poke fun at it. (Compare "white knight" and "flame warrior", the former of which is still in use and the latter has been effectively abandoned but the idea of a "flame war" is still salient so you can still see the intent.) It's been through waves of reclamation and re-vilification in the decade and a half since; it's true that the Gamergate phenomenon was significant in cementing the definition to the specific set of behaviors it's currently associated with, and it's starting to get watered down again from overuse in today's ridiculously-polarized political climate.
 
You know, in hindsight, I'm disappointed that Zoat used Darna instead of Green Snake.

The story made Sonny Sumo an Alan Scott analogue, DC already made Green Snake a Wonder Woman analogue.

And she's a snake who used magic to turn into a human, she's a great fit in a story with a cosmic entity that used to be a snake and a guy who wants to take advantage of magic.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if the Justice League of China is one of those things Zoat is pretending never existed.
 
Mandated (part 7)
22nd October
07:41 GMT +8


"…applying myself to wider scale problems is simply a more efficient use of my abilities. Stealing a million fen results in the same amount of money being acquired as stealing ten thousand yuan, and is far harder for conventional authorities to detect."

Darna doesn't precisely seem happy about my answer, but she doesn't press the issue. Traditionally, Marte natives prefer the direct and violent approach to heroing. It's clear that she doesn't believe that the month and a half I spent investigating tax fraud was an appropriate use of my abilities. Nabu on the other hand actually nods approvingly. Distort well ordered systems for your personal gain at your peril when a Lord of Order is around.

"I also have concerns about your stated desire to acquire examples of Khyber's technology, particularly when I consider that you were present when his.. research centres were breached."

"Lady Darna, learning how our enemies' weapons work-."

"I understand the advantage. But you believe that such knowledge is valuable enough that you were willing to take significant risks in penetrating his facilities rather than destroying them at a distance?"

"While I could not know for certain in advance, I felt that that was a possibility."

"And you were not at all motivated by your desire to acquire Khyber's secrets for yourself?"

Of course I wanted them. Not that they did me a lot of good. I don't study alchemy and while I could use the cybernetic stuff… I'd rather not. On the other hand, plenty of other people across the world can pick over what we acquired and won't have to undertake the dangerous work of dissecting existing specimens or interrogating the few surviving members of Khyber's inner circle. Khyber's own life extension techniques and cyber chirurgeries will probably make their way into the mainstream, given time.

"In part, yes. Finding better uses for the technologies of the malevolent is an aspect of my work which I find particularly satisfying. But I still believe that it was the correct strategic decision, a belief that was supported by my superiors at the time."

"Did the sight of their inner workings not horrify you?"

"I would say 'disgusted' more than 'horrified'. Based on initial studies of the remains of those cybernetic organisms which we had already encountered, I already had a fairly good idea how they were made. Seeing it.. was… Deeply unpleasant. Particularly the.. rendering machines. But it was an evil I could understand."

She regards me for a moment, then leans back in her seat. "I have no further questions."

Nabu nods, then raises his hands. Golden ankhs shimmer-.

The universe seems to skip for a moment. The room is more or less the same, but the faint air currents in the room have left the tapestries at slightly different points in their wafting. The splash of water doesn't quite line up, and the Heavenly Guardians are sitting in slightly different positions. Except Nabu. He's in exactly the same position. Some sort of.. time bending effect? I'm not really sure why they didn't just send me out of the r-.

"Orange Lantern." Nabu stands, waving his right hand in a glowing arc and summoning a small wooden chest into existence. "We have reached a decision regarding your future."

"My Lords, I am ready to serve."

I'm not sure I was supposed to respond-. No, it's Nabu. If I wasn't, he'd have said something. There's a faint golden glow as the lid of the chest opens-.

I genuflect, my head bowing as my right knee hits the ground. I was not expecting that, though it does explain why Souma is here. The scroll currently floating out of the chest is a Mandate of Heaven.

Sort of. The Mandate of Heaven is China's more capricious version of the Divine Right of Kings. 'Capricious' because rather than simply saying that the king rules because God says that he should, it's more of a franchise arrangement. Dynasties which are cast down are considered to have had the Mandate withdrawn, and as such the incoming dynasty is perfectly righteous in taking care of the merely temporal matter of booting them out of the palace. If 'Heaven' permits it, then clearly it was meant to happen.

Ever since Jong Li put his adopted son on the throne of China, however, there's been a… Tradition of the reigning Emperor or Empress licensing certain individuals to act in his or her name, outside the bounds of normal government structures. Extending the Mandate to people outside of the imperial dynasty. Jong Li didn't want future Emperors to rule at the convenience of people with super powers, and after the defeat of Yalun Gar he had a healthy appreciation of the damage super powered people could do. But at the same time, he wanted good people to have the power to cause change without needing to refer to Emperors who might be corrupt or incompetent.

Back in the old days, it was the Green Lantern and perhaps a couple of other individuals. Then a Persian archaeological expedition found Nabu's temple and.. things expanded. 'Heavenly Guardians' is the modern name given to the group of people who have all made the grade and become a full part of the Earth's leading superhero team.

And… Apparently… I've made that grade.

"This quorum of the Heavenly Guardians finds that your deeds and righteousness make you a worthy addition to our number. Kneel no more, and accept this honour."

And he isn't joking. In China at least this gives me authority equal to that of the Emperor; I don't even have to give him more than a respectful nod. And he has to nod back. How it works in other places… Varies. Though I doubt that my friend Caliph Kassam al-Rashid would expect me to bow to him.

I lift my head, hands outstretched to take the scroll representing my new authority into my hands. Nabu for his part puts it into my hands with his own, rather than levitating it there. The vellum feels softer than paper, and the pagoda seal is printed in the wax holding it shut. I create a small blade construct and slice through it, standing as I unroll the scroll.

Oh. The text inside is written in Chinese -obviously- but they've also included an English translation. Not that they need to, I wear a universal translator whenever I'm on active duty. And I doubt that anyone will actually ask to see this; my membership will be widely publicised. Still, it's a surprising-

A faint golden light flows from the open scroll and into me as the identification spell triggers.

-concession. I roll up the scroll and send it into subspace. "Thank you, honoured colleagues. I will strive to be worthy of this responsibility."

"Good." Nabu's eyes flare faintly. "That is the necessary attitude to possess."

"Is there.. an area of the world which presently needs my particular attention?"

"No. Your formal audience with the Emperor will be tomorrow. Until then, I suggest that you spend your time updating yourself with ISA intelligence reports."

I nod. "Sound advice." And it is just advice. While Nabu has seniority he can't actually give me orders any longer. "I will also read up on the customs relating to the audience. I.. wasn't expecting this."

Nabu nods, then walks past me towards the exit. Darna follows him a moment later, leaving me with my fellow Lanterns.

"Lantern Fang. I.. am a little surprised that you consider me to be ready for this."

He nods. "I would have preferred to wait a year or two. But your conduct has been good, and having your rank on Earth be so at odds with your rank in the Orange Lantern Corps would be foolish. I would not have given my approval if you were unworthy."

I close my eyes as I nod back. "Thank you. I will prove you right."

He looks me over, then glances back at our two colleagues who are clearly waiting for-. He gets the message, and heads for the door at a march.

I watch him go as Jade and Souma come down off the dais to stand next to me. But I wait until the door is firmly shut before turning to them.

Jade is grinning, while Souma's smile is far more restrained but just as genuine. My eyes are wide as I shake my head in visible disbelief. Then I lunge forward and wrap my arms around the old man's chest.

"Hah!" He hugs back for a moment before pushing me away. "Off, you excessively emotional barbarian!"

I comply, grinning. "Thank you, oh ancient and venerable master."

He shakes his head. "You have earned this, and I am proud that you are my acolyte."

"Thank you." I turn to Jade. This.. might make things a little easier. "Jade."

"What, I don't get a hug?" She puts her right hand on her right hip. "After all the time I put into training you?"

"Thank you, oh sagacious and cunning tutor who totally knew that construct coilguns were a thing before I shot her with one."

"I totally did." I lean down slightly as I wrap my arms around her shoulders. She hugs back without any of Souma's reservation. "So are you really-" She pulls back slightly, hands on my arms. "-going to spend the day reading intelligence reports? Right after getting mandated?"

"Not.. all day. I.. was hoping that you'd join Jade and I for dinner this evening."

"Oh?" She tilts her head back slightly, glancing momentarily at Souma. "Do I get to bring a date too?"

"I.. spoke to Jade this morning, and… Ah." Do it. "We're the dates." She raises her eyebrows. "Assuming that you're interested."

"Ohh." She looks me over a little more closely, a saucy smile on her lips. "I.. might be. If you've got time for a prac-." She blinks. "Both of you?"

"I said I was only interested in a love triangle if the triangle was equilateral."

"I'll try most things once." She floats up to bring her head level with mine. "But maybe we could practise with a line first?"

Souma blinks slightly as Jade and I lean towards one another.. "Ah. How… Modern."
 
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I will laugh my ass off if ParaPual ends up being thrown into ChinaPaul in the middle of his date.

Also, I find it immensely amusing at the irony of Nabu being the one to instate Paul into this world's Justice League equivalent.
 
Darna doesn't precisely seem happy about my answer, but she doesn't press the issue. Traditionally, Marte natives prefer the direct and violent approach to heroing. It's clear that she doesn't believe that the month and a half I spent investigating tax fraud was an appropriate use of my abilities. Nabu on the other hand actually nods approvingly. Distort well ordered systems for your personal gain at your peril when a Lord of Order is around.

Huh. Actual Darna canon, not expy stuff. So it's explicitly a crossover with a non-DC work? Interesting.

"But maybe we could practice with a line first?"

What does this mean?
 
Nabu nods, then walks passed me towards the exit.

walks past me.


Waiting the shoe to drop.

I will laugh my ass off if ParaPual ends up being thrown into ChinaPaul in the middle of his date.

Also, I find it immensely amusing at the irony of Nabu being the one to instate Paul into this world's Justice League equivalent.


As separate entities? Yes!!! Memory download? NOOOO.


you seem to be in the habit of having your elipses be two instead of three...
(like that)


Check the FAQ.

.. this represents a slightly longer pause in the conversation than normal.
 
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Have to say I like this alternate universe and hope we will see it again in the future.

Paul does have access to tech to travel between verses so he could possibly visit this one.
 
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