[X] John Darrow – Senior Test Pilot
Someone who has actual exprience with flying in a plane.
[X] Rupert Macalister – Representative of engine manufacturer Wyndham Industrial – Propulsion Expert
Someone to help with the engine, altough I would've prefered someone more independent.
[X] Prof. V. Granville – Aerodynamics Expert – Led the design team of the D.422
Someone with experience in designing planes.
[X] Joseph March – Avionics Specialist
Someone who knows about avionics.
[X] Jean Lyon – Physicist – Senior Manager, Special Projects Division
Someone who could have new tech to try on the plane.

I didn't take:
-Delisle because he's our boss, if we take him in the comittee it would be a nightmare. First because we can't say no to his ideas since he's paying the bills, second because the design phase can get messy, we can study diffferent ideas and go back and forth before finding the final one, if he's in the comittee he will question us about our choices it's easier to just hand him the final product and be judged on that alone.
-Carr and Fleck, because Delisle sounds like he wants a plane to beat the record quickly and not for large scale use so we can ignore maintenance and production issues.
 
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[X] Rupert Macalister – Representative of engine manufacturer Wyndham Industrial – Propulsion Expert
[X] Prof. V. Granville – Aerodynamics Expert – Led the design team of the D.422
[X] Joseph March – Avionics Specialist
[X] Jean Lyon – Physicist – Senior Manager, Special Projects Division
[X] John Darrow – Senior Test Pilot
 
[X] Prof. V. Granville – Aerodynamics Expert – Led the design team of the D.422
[X] Joseph March – Avionics Specialist
[X] Jean Lyon – Physicist – Senior Manager, Special Projects Division
[X] Rupert Macalister – Representative of engine manufacturer Wyndham Industrial – Propulsion Expert
[X] John Darrow – Senior Test Pilot
 
I'm wondering.... Do we really need to have the plane be able to take off? we could have it mounted in a launch cradle on an airship, spin up the the engine while its clamped in and then when the plan is at a good RPM release it from the launch cradle. this will let us cut down on weight as the plan won't need as much fuel and we can ditch full on landing gear for landing skids.

on top of that I did some googling and single prop Pusher configuration planes had a better top speed then single prop tractor planes but where harder to take off so this approch would let us use the pusher prop while dodging a good chunk of the issues.
 
[X] Prof. V. Granville – Aerodynamics Expert – Led the design team of the D.422
[X] Joseph March – Avionics Specialist
[X] Jean Lyon – Physicist – Senior Manager, Special Projects Division
[X] Rupert Macalister – Representative of engine manufacturer Wyndham Industrial – Propulsion Expert
[X] John Darrow – Senior Test Pilot
 
1.2 - Delisle - Record Breaker - Engines and Airframe
[X] Rupert Macalister – Representative of Wyndham Industrial – Propulsion Expert
[X] Prof. V. Granville – Aerodynamics Expert – Led the design team of the D.422
[X] Joseph March – Avionics Specialist
[X] Jean Lyon – Physicist – Senior Manager, Special Projects Division
[X] John Darrow – Senior Test Pilot

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With your project team now assembled, it's time to begin work on the aeroplane. Chief amongst the decisions in front of you are the design of the airframe and the selection of its engine.

Record breakers like the one you're working on are quite literally designed and built around their engines, and so this is a delicate decision, one which could have severe repercussions later in the design process. A number of manufacturers have submitted their proposals for consideration, and your panel of experts has rendered their opinions on the entrants.

Additionally, there is the question of general airframe design. This is more a question of principles than specifics, which can be narrowed down at a later time. However, a general direction will help inform the remainder of the design cycle.
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As for engines, Wyndham Industrial has submitted two entries. The first is their new R-146 engine, a supercharged and liquid-cooled V-12. Rupert Macalister promises that the engine should be capable of outputting 2,400 horsepower with the appropriate tuning from his companies' engineering team. It's on the heavier side though, weighing in at 1,650 pounds without any of the coolant and radiators you'll no doubt need.

The second proposition from Wyndham is their R-83, a 14 cylinder air cooled radial engine. Weighing in at only 1,120 pounds, it can produce 1,400 horsepower as standard. While producing less power than the other entrants, since it's air cooled there won't be any additional weight in coolant, only radiators. Macalister is once again interested selling to you, and Darrow thinks you might even be able to get away with two engines. Granville on the other hand would prefer to avoid air cooled engines as a matter of principle.

As a counter proposal to Macalister and Wyndham, professor Granville has suggested using the Lion engine produced by Empire City's Imperial Aviation Corporation. This 12 cylinder W block engine was used to great success in the D.422. While it produced 1,700 hp at standard, Granville's team was able to tune it to 2,050 and he thinks it can be made to go even higher. Darrow appreciates that the team has experience working with this engine while Macalister has pointed out that its 1,260 lb weight gives it a poorer power to weight ratio and that a water cooled engine is inherently less efficient than one of his companies' liquid cooled models.

A more unusual proposal has come from Agello, a company best known for their zeppelin engines. They have proposed taking two of the AS.2 model engines, 12 cylinder V engines which produce 1,450 horsepower at 1,050 lbs, and mating them to drive two counter-rotating propellers in a linear arrangement. Lyon is impressed with the theoretical power output and Darrow is also interested in the proposal. However, Macalister is concerned at the over two thousand pound weight of the combined engines, and that's before cooling is taken into consideration. Similarly, Joe March has voiced concerns over the mechanical reliability of such a configuration.

The final proposal in this first wave comes from Jean Lyon's Special Projects Division, though you suspect that really means from Delisle himself. It's a radical proposal that takes advantage that there are no rules on the type of engines that can be used – Rockets. A rocket powered aeroplane can theoretically reach a far higher top speed than any piston-powered one can, but it would depend heavily on top-notch construction and engineering and could still be incredibly unsafe. Jean is interested in pursuing this at least for a little ways, while March considers it little more than a passing fancy and Darrow considers the idea practically suicidal.

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The other question to begin considering is the broad picture of the airframe – namely the placement of the engine and the configuration. This is not a final decision, but will rather decide where the team focuses the majority of their efforts going forwards.

Granville and Darrow favor a seaplane, which has the advantage of a theoretically infinite takeoff distance. This would allow the plane to be heavier and the engine to have a higher rpm without the disadvantage this would pose to a land based aeroplane.

Jean, on the other hand, is of the opinion that with newly developed variable-pitch propellers a seaplane no longer has any real advantage over a land based plane and would prefer to replace the dead weight of pontoons with useful equipment, a sentiment Macalister agrees with. March on the other hand points out that variable-pitch propellers are a technology still very much in its infancy, and would prefer going with a seaplane.

Finally, there is the option of forgoing both choices in favor of launching the plane from a zeppelin. This would allow the engine to reach its optimum envelope before take-off and eliminate some weight in the form of the fuel otherwise needed to reach altitude and more robust landing gear. Most of the team considers it a possibility, but Granville does point out that it hasn't been done before from a rules perspective, and the last thing he wants is to be disqualified from the official record on a technicality.

The other element to consider is whether to approach the aircraft as a pusher or tractor configuration. Granville and Lyon are in favor of a pusher, as this would typically allow for a higher max speed once in the air. However, it will have more difficulty taking off due to the low angles of climb permitted when your propeller is the closest thing to the ground.

A tractor design is favored by Darrow and Macalister, as it requires a shorter take-off distance and is more proven. Finally, if using tandem or multiple engine configurations, it is possible to mount one propeller at each end of the aircraft.

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Engine Proposals:
[] Wyndham R-146
[] Wyndham R-83
[] IAC Lion
[] Agello AS.2
[] Rockets
[] Call for additional submissions
Take-off/Landing Focus:
[] Seaplane
[] Land plane
[] Zeppelin launch
Engine Configuration Focus:
[] Pusher
[] Tractor
[] Hybrid​

Given that this is a delicate vote, it will be vote by plan going forwards. Down-selecting engines at this point is not mandatory, but it could help the team focus on a specific design path if there's one you feel they should be following. You'll also have the option to call for additional submissions, but this will take more time. The same holds true for the airframe focus votes – they'll give direction but are not necessarily exclusive.

Ask any questions you'd like at this point. I'll also have an addendum in the near future detailing the present record-holder from Consolidated (your competition).
 
[X] Rupert Macalister – Representative of Wyndham Industrial – Propulsion Expert
[X] Prof. V. Granville – Aerodynamics Expert – Led the design team of the D.422
[X] Joseph March – Avionics Specialist
[X] Jean Lyon – Physicist – Senior Manager, Special Projects Division
[X] John Darrow – Senior Test Pilot

So option killers:
-R-83 - Aerodynamics Expert says air cooling is not good for anything going high enough power.
-AS.2 - Avionics Expert says that two engines in serial configuration is vulnerable to mechanical failure. Twice as many failure points and the axle spanning the whole aircraft does make for a problem with control surfaces.
-Rockets - Test pilot says this is suicide. If the veteran doesn't think it can be controlled...yeah I'd go with his opinion.

-Zeppelin - Instant disqualification risk is unacceptable.

[X] Plan Overclocked Lions
-[X] IAC Lion
-[X] Land plane
-[X] Tractor
 
Hell, let's push the envelope.

[X] Plan Komet:
-[X] Rockets
-[X] Zeppelin Launch
-[X] Pusher
 
Just a quick note - You are free to pick multiple options from each category at this stage, in case I didn't make that very clear.

Now, If you'll indulge me, I'd like to play devil's advocate for a spell.

So option killers:
-R-83 - Aerodynamics Expert says air cooling is not good for anything going high enough power.
-AS.2 - Avionics Expert says that two engines in serial configuration is vulnerable to mechanical failure. Twice as many failure points and the axle spanning the whole aircraft does make for a problem with control surfaces.
-Rockets - Test pilot says this is suicide. If the veteran doesn't think it can be controlled...yeah I'd go with his opinion.

-Zeppelin - Instant disqualification risk is unacceptable.

One brief clarification on the AS.2. While it absolutely has more failure points than its peers (even if much of that is only from having more moving parts than any of them), the issue of drive shaft length can be addressed somewhat by mounting both propellers either fore or aft, one behind the other.

From a technical perspective, each propeller would actually have its own crankshaft, meaning that the engine is less of a true V-24 and more accurately a tandem V-12, since the proposed configuration is really two AS.2 engines that have been mated.

That still leaves an incredibly complex engine, but one that offers immense power.

Is towing a plane into the air legal?

Similar to a zeppelin launch, that hasn't been tried before in the context of this competition. Both might get you disqualified, but that's by no means certain.


I see what you did there.

Also kind of surprised that no one mentioned the other Wyndham Industrial offering, since the R-146 has one of the more competitive power/weight ratios of the lot. Does Rupert really come off as that unreliable?

Finally, expect the competition dossier tomorrow. I'll probably call the vote at the same time I post it.

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Just realized this is my 100th post. Woot!
At this rate I'll reach 200 sometime in 2020.
 
[X] Plan Komet

I was interested in Wyndham's offer, but not that one. Double R-83 engines without additional weight sound good on paper. I wonder what Granville's problem with air cooling is.
 
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