Space marines company vs imperial marien company (40k vs traveller OTU)

andrewza

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A battle between two different kinds of marines. Barley human genetically modified solders of 40k take on the imperial marines from the traveller RPG orginaly univers.


The space mariens are a full strength 2nd company from a codex complaint chapter.

The third imperium company for this fight will be 100 with 3 platoon each platoon having 3 8 man rifle squads and 1 8 man support squad. This lead by a company commander, second in command and company NCO.


The battle will take place in Boston from fall out 4
both sides want the mass fusion and know of its location. Victory is to the side that can claim and hold the mass fusion building.
 
Okay then. So, we're talking Traveller Imperial Marines? That means TL15+ bullshit. That means battledress. That means PGMPs and FGMPs.

Astartes Armor vs Battledress is... probably a wash. They're both extremely tough, capable of laughing at most weapons a human can carry.

Astartes weaponry vs PGMPs and FGMPs heavily favors Traveller.

PGMPs, Plasma Gun Man Portable, do damage that is literally an order of magnitude greater than normal weaponry. I would place it as comparable to heavy plasma guns for the Space Marines, except at TL15+ these are the Third Imperium's standard rifles.

FGMPs, however, are a whole different kettle of fish. Fusion Gun Man Portable, these things are exactly what they say on the tin, a fusion powered man portable casaba howitzer. If you hit a person with one of these, you will vaporize them. Even battledress isn't typically enough to stop that for anything more than a glancing hit. And, if that's not enough, they also irradiate anyone even close to the line of fire, because that's sane and reasonable. Battledress stops that, but for all those Astartes that like taking their helmets off, this is going to go badly. At TL15+ the FGMP is their standard support weapon, the equivalent to something like the SAW or the BAR.

The Third Imperium troops are also unlikely to be "just" human. Augments are far from uncommon in Traveller. Astartes probably still have the edge there though.
 
Firehawk242 said:
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It should be noted it was established the guass rifle or lass rifle(traveller las rifles a bit better than 40k) if it is zero g is sthe standard weapon for the imperial mariens. PGMP, FGMP and other weapons are common but not carried by every marien. Most marines will have some kind of heavy personal weapon though if not one of those 2 it could be a rocket assisted auto matic grenade launcher or some thing along those lines.

It should all so be noted imperial marien companies are pur infantry. The space marines will have vechiles.
 
I'm coming down on travellers side on this one (ignore the books I've written for the system) because the sheer mobility of grav belt marines vertically in a built up urban environment. I once ran a campaign of something I called 'Million Dollar Company' where players were offered the chance to submit a unit of troops with gear costing X number of credits to outfit a unit.

Anyway, a single stimmed up Imperial Marine took an entire armoured company in their home rules system. I think they have this.
 
4WheelSword said:
I'm coming down on travellers side on this one (ignore the books I've written for the system) because the sheer mobility of grav belt marines vertically in a built up urban environment. I once ran a campaign of something I called 'Million Dollar Company' where players were offered the chance to submit a unit of troops with gear costing X number of credits to outfit a unit.

Anyway, a single stimmed up Imperial Marine took an entire armoured company in their home rules system. I think they have this.
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There are Astartes jet packs, though I don't think they use them for more than rapid relocation, not actual aerial combat, and they are specialty equipment, not standard issue.
 
Firehawk242 said:
There are Astartes jet packs, though I don't think they use them for more than rapid relocation, not actual aerial combat, and they are specialty equipment, not standard issue.
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There's going to be 20, total, jump pack equipped marines in a standard space marine line company. There are 100 flying imperial marines.
 
4WheelSword said:
There's going to be 20, total, jump pack equipped marines in a standard space marine line company. There are 100 flying imperial marines.
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Like I said, specialty equipment. And I don't think jump pack Astartes carry the sort of weaponry you need to tangle with Traveller marines.
 
Firehawk242 said:
There are Astartes jet packs, though I don't think they use them for more than rapid relocation, not actual aerial combat, and they are specialty equipment, not standard issue.
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They do use them to fight; Blades of Damocles has them fly around shooting missiles and stabbing Tau gunships in the face and stuff, so they can do well against superior firepower. That was the Ultramarines, too, so a Codex compliant chapter.

(For all the author tends to forget that when writing Cato Sicarius, mind :V )
 
Ben Who Devours said:
They do use them to fight; Blades of Damocles has them fly around shooting missiles and stabbing Tau gunships in the face and stuff, so they can do well against superior firepower. That was the Ultramarines, too, so a Codex compliant chapter.

(For all the author tends to forget that when writing Cato Sicarius, mind :V )
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Melee will all so be the space mariens night edge in this fight. Traveller marines are not bad in melee compared to say an imperial guardsman but I will give the space marien the edge in melee.
 
BiopunkOtrera said:
yeah travellers ground forces are considerably in advanced of 40K ones.
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Yes and no.

Technologically, they actually have... more or less parity. Kinda. Traveller has an edge, but it's marginal.

What Traveller does have is better doctrine. Unlike 40k, which wants melee to be a primary method of warfare in a post-machine gun and artillery world, Traveller fully acknowledges that melee serves a very limited purpose in modern warfare. Traveller also understands three dimensional mobility and the importance thereof, something 40k kind of struggles with at times.

In short, Traveller has slightly better tech, but they're also much better at using it.
 
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Firehawk242 said:
Technologically, they actually have... more or less parity. Kinda. Traveller has an edge, but it's marginal.
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Not on the level of the individual trooper. A single squad marksman in a unit might have a plasma or fusion gun. The imperium hasn't been able to do that since the heresy.

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Unlike 40k, which wants melee to be a primary method of warfare in a post-machine gun and artillery world,
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What. No, like, I get it, you look at a space marine with a sword and think that but, like... Guardsmen don't fight in melee unless they must. Space Marines are shock troops who specialise in close quarters fighting, but they also treat melee as a secondary option to just shooting someone unless they're specifically assault units.
 
Traveller marines are superior to space marines in equipment. They all carry FGMPs, they have grav mobility flight, and their vehicles are various species of grav armoured carriers. The Space Marines are more augmented, because traveller cybernetics aren't great, but equipment wise I think they're well ahead.
 
4WheelSword said:
What. No, like, I get it, you look at a space marine with a sword and think that but, like... Guardsmen don't fight in melee unless they must. Space Marines are shock troops who specialise in close quarters fighting, but they also treat melee as a secondary option to just shooting someone unless they're specifically assault units.
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I never said that the people wanted melee, I said that the setting did. Not quite the same thing.
 
BiopunkOtrera said:
Traveller marines are superior to space marines in equipment. They all carry FGMPs, they have grav mobility flight, and their vehicles are various species of grav armoured carriers. The Space Marines are more augmented, because traveller cybernetics aren't great, but equipment wise I think they're well ahead.
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They dont all carry FGMPs. Or to say it better. They foot always carry them, marines guarding some high port or ship won't have them.


All so traveller cybernetics are pretty good. It is possible for a facstion traveller to make a space marien or possibly an thunder warrior. But the cost is probable not worth it.
 
andrewza said:
They dont all carry FGMPs. Or to say it better. They foot always carry them, marines guarding some high port or ship won't have them.


All so traveller cybernetics are pretty good. It is possible for a facstion traveller to make a space marien or possibly an thunder warrior. But the cost is probable not worth it.
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Traveller doesn't typically go hard in on biological augments, so Astartes are out. Skitari, however, are very possible.
 
Firehawk242 said:
Traveller doesn't typically go hard in on biological augments, so Astartes are out. Skitari, however, are very possible.
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There is modual called death station where you can get your hands on combat drugs that basically captain America super solder serum but only works for a short time (they could not finish the research, it is a horror modual or in my case when I ran it a comedy modual) and and another modual where solomani terrorists made super strong but stupid people to use in a attack. So probably not space mariens but they could make thunder warrior type force.


All so uplifted, cyberneticaly enchaned orca in battle dress would wreck a space marien In melee.


As for traveller tech being more advanced than 40k. I would say it is doctrine built around the fact the high end technology is pretty common. Grav vechiles are in 40k where in traveller finding a non grav mobile imperial army brigade is hard. And all marien regiments are grav mobile.
 
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