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Et Sic Incipit
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[x] Yog
-[x] Tesla
-[x] Tesla
Shepard Quest Mk VI, Technological Revolution
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Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
He contributed a good PR department for himself.
Other than that, not really all that great. I mean, saying she likes Tesla might mean she considers herself more of an engineer and business person than a scientist, but even then there are probably better people to pick from.
All this talk about scientists and no one has thought about Louis Pasteur? His work has saved us from ludicrous epidemics and brought good living to many, while we have invented a machine that can and will eradicate all genetic diseases, negative modifiers and in time, aging.
I like the sound of that; also distances if more of the militant aspects of our work, which is good PR at times.
I like the sound of that; also distances if more of the militant aspects of our work, which is good PR at times.
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TheBleachDoctor
Secretly a Cat
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Yes. Let's pick a female scientist.
The Radar and long-range radio.
He also tried to sell both the radar and the radio-controlled torpedo to the US military.
The Marconi guy who claimed to have invented the worlds first long range radio? Turns out he used stuff that was patented by Tesla years before him.
Also he discovered Alternating current, which stops cities from having huge thick cables hanging overhead everywhere and being limited by distance from power stations.
There's this: http://science.howstuffworks.com/innovation/famous-inventors/famous-nikola-tesla-inventions.htm
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Those are inventions. That is the realm of engineering. Jame Clark Maxwell was (at least according to wikipedia) the scientist who discovered radio waves.
From what I can gather alternating current was predicted by Michael Faraday although it wasn't produced until 1832 (before Tesla was born) by Hippolyte Pixii. Tesla just made it practical to power the world, which is (again) engineering.
long story short Tesla is an engineer (IE: guy who makes things) not a scientist (IE: guy who discovers things).
All those are engineering, I should note (also it's far too strong a claim to make to say that he invented AC - he was its strong proponent, though, yes). What scientific discoveries did he make?
...And ninjaed by @UberJJK .
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[x] Yog
-[x] Tesla
-[x] Tesla
Darik29
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Hey guys, question. I get that we're going to spend a cool million on the security of all our installations, but the write in prompt says more money gets better security.
Why not throw 2 million at security per instillation? Or even 3?
Heck, why don't we set up a standard security package, to include perimeter sensors, cameras and a server room to see said cameras, Drones for on site security support, heck, heavily reinforced security doors, a low orbit satellite for maximum observation.
Theres a Lot of things we can do for security, and a single million doesn't seem like enough to me.
Just a thought.
Why not throw 2 million at security per instillation? Or even 3?
Heck, why don't we set up a standard security package, to include perimeter sensors, cameras and a server room to see said cameras, Drones for on site security support, heck, heavily reinforced security doors, a low orbit satellite for maximum observation.
Theres a Lot of things we can do for security, and a single million doesn't seem like enough to me.
Just a thought.
Which is a shame, really. For one, Revy is a polymath of a highest order (which Tesla was not). For two she's far less insane than Tesla (who, frankly, wasn't all there, in my opinion at least). For three, she's more... humble, I would use the word - less about PR and more about actually achieving stuff.
If we are going for females, I would say Curie. If polymaths, then Leibniz or Lomonosov.
There are two types a specialized factory covers a catagory of product. I'm not really going to make a definitive list but below are some suggestions:
Arc-Reactors
Ground Combat Vehicles
Missiles
Starships
Powered Armor
Armor Plates
Starship Components
Infantry Weapons
A single-product factory makes only a single product eg Gen I 5GW Arc-Reactor.
It was kind of a both for simplicity. Based on some other prices and stuff 20m sounded like enough to cover extra facilities/material on top of what you guys normally do as well as the mining since I'd kind figured that mining gear would be suitably high tech (robot laser miners or whatever).
Edit: Also granite counter tops!
Okay so one I'd like to know if our Accounting Guru UberJJK thinks that's even reasonable to implement on the spreadsheet.
Two, what level of shenaniganery are we talking about here? Loans and stuff have been discussed before and there was some ruling made on it by previous GMs.
Three do you guys even really need this stuff?
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http://www.smithsonianmag.com/scien...male-scientists-you-should-know-84028788/?all
http://listverse.com/2013/10/14/10-groundbreaking-women-scientists-written-off-by-history/
I'd like to pick Lise Meitner, one of the people who worked out the math behind nuclear fission.
[x] Yog
-[x] Hero of alexandra
There now yog can stop complaining about tesla. Honestly you people seem to be forgetting that Revy is, surprise, an engineer. The only thing you can honestly say she has discovered is what makes the arc reactor do it's stuff and maybe the repulsurs. Everything else has been inventions and innovations she has made. You want her to do scientist stuff vote for stuff like Conrads time manipulation tech or the other out stuff that hasn't been theorized.
-[x] Hero of alexandra
There now yog can stop complaining about tesla. Honestly you people seem to be forgetting that Revy is, surprise, an engineer. The only thing you can honestly say she has discovered is what makes the arc reactor do it's stuff and maybe the repulsurs. Everything else has been inventions and innovations she has made. You want her to do scientist stuff vote for stuff like Conrads time manipulation tech or the other out stuff that hasn't been theorized.
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Van Ropen
Angry, angry about elves.
That was true right up until this quarter, with "Advanced ME Theory".
She's an official space wizard now.
TheBleachDoctor
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Being a scientist vs. Being an engineer is not mutually exclusive.
Apparently it is in Yog's mind. Or if it isn't that's what I have gotten from what he has been saying for the past couple of pages.
Didn't she make that with help?
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@Hoyr, can I get a GM ruling on some math I'm doing? It seems a bit OP:
Assuming our ships can do 60 LY/day, that's 6.57E12 m/s.
Assuming that our ships can magically jump to 0.1c and cruise at that velocity, we find the value of c in the FTL bubble to be:
6.57E12 m/s / 0.1 = cFTL
6.5E13 m/s = cFTL
*Aside: I've calculated that it would take about 35 days of accelerating at 1 gravity to reach this speed (given that low %c value, I did it non-relativistically). Most ships don't travel for more than a month, so this cruise speed is unrealistic, which suggests that cFTL is even bigger than the calculated value here, but given how big the refractive index value is going to be, I decided to let it be and call it a conservative estimate.)
6.57E13 / c = 219146 (refractive index)
Assume we start with a red laser inside the FTL bubble, wavelength of 5.7E-7m.
lambdaFTL = lambdaNormal / n
= 5.7E-7m / 219146
= 2.6E-13m
That's gamma ray central.
Can we do that? Is that allowed? Or did I fuck up my math and/or assumptions?
Assuming our ships can do 60 LY/day, that's 6.57E12 m/s.
Assuming that our ships can magically jump to 0.1c and cruise at that velocity, we find the value of c in the FTL bubble to be:
6.57E12 m/s / 0.1 = cFTL
6.5E13 m/s = cFTL
*Aside: I've calculated that it would take about 35 days of accelerating at 1 gravity to reach this speed (given that low %c value, I did it non-relativistically). Most ships don't travel for more than a month, so this cruise speed is unrealistic, which suggests that cFTL is even bigger than the calculated value here, but given how big the refractive index value is going to be, I decided to let it be and call it a conservative estimate.)
6.57E13 / c = 219146 (refractive index)
Assume we start with a red laser inside the FTL bubble, wavelength of 5.7E-7m.
lambdaFTL = lambdaNormal / n
= 5.7E-7m / 219146
= 2.6E-13m
That's gamma ray central.
Can we do that? Is that allowed? Or did I fuck up my math and/or assumptions?
Van Ropen
Angry, angry about elves.
Firstly while I didn't give any exact numbers when going those 60LY/day the ship is experiencing relativity (Eh at like .3c or so?). Taking the estimated power of repulsors into account and doing some guesstimates of mass reduction, the ability of the ship to go fast is far exceeding the ability of the FTL core to increase the speed of light. You're pushing it a lot. I clock canon ship's FTL effect at ~55,000-110,000c for ships going .1-.2c from their perspective.
You have to remember that the ships mass also goes down. While lore has nor official statement there are two options many guess at, one is that mass is divided by the same amount that the speed of light is increased, but that's wandering into free energy land. Dividing mass by the square that the speed of light provides no free energy from this alone (though you may find some free kinetic energy). That said either way ME ships do make 15LY/day averaged over a 50 hour period runs per canon.
From there you can find that the acceleration is some where around 10% of C per second, or about 3 million gees. So that's why I'm pretty sure that ships have inertial compensator and why they are really really important.
Thanks to the massive mass reduction you get needed engine powers that are totally do able, though possibly to low. There is a lot of technical elements in the exact details here that I haven't ever really bothered to fully consider. Like the relative masses of ships and the engine power they can bring to bear and their top speeds etc. I've just looked at the top speed ships.
We aren't exactly sure how the transition from in ME field to out of ME field works. Both for light or physical objects*. So the exact formula to use is unknown. There are some perspectives that allow for a lot of "free" energy. The problem is that it becomes fairly trivial to turn those into super weapons** that simply do no exist in setting. In addition, from a world building perspective perspective any "free" energy item is a instability in the setting.
*Hell we don't even know if a beam of light entering a speed of light multiplying field actual goes the new speed of light or keeps going the old one. But that's way to insane to contemplate. Easier to say that for vacuum that light will always go the speed of light. I wonder what it does in a medium...
**I figured out how to make fighter scale anti-planet weapons using one of those setups
.Take for example the codex observation that a photon has twice the apparent energy in an speed of light doubling field. Does that mean that it takes twice the energy to spawn that photon then? What about if it hits an object without leaving the field? It quite easy to run into situations where things just stop working. However we observe that being in an FTL field has no noticeable effects of personnel or machinery or at least the effects are minor and easily surmountable. This is all a big mess that Yog and myself have both considered. Most of the solutions that don't kill the crew or break physics beyond exceptionable limits also remove the red/blueshift.
The only conclusion I've reached is that the ME writers didn't do enough research.
Ultimately I'm inclined to conserve energy where ever I can simply because the setting doesn't use the "free" energy exploits, or at least look for some explanation as to why they aren't used. People in the setting aren't dumb; they can do basic physics and they can actually experiment with this stuff (for 2000+ years) so if they don't do it there is a very damn good reason. So either A) yes that's gamma ray territory, but you need to pump the in field laser with more energy to get the thing to spit out the beam or B) the defense against that is the same as the way of getting it. Have a field that multiplies the speed of light around your ships and the laser becomes a red laser again. C) Both, D) the codex lies and is on crack again, E) something else I didn't think of.
However, all options math out to, no that isn't useful for combat for some reason, because no one is using it already. Whether that reason is its physically impossible or just pointless.
On a side note you've managed to surprise the GM:
While I understand some people's choice to go with Gaver Dor based on some of the negative possibilities of the other two options, you guys still have me confused as to the massive overwhelming support. I don't recall a single vote not for him!* Nor do I recall any major debates on the relative usefulness of the techs. Though some people have mentioned it in passing. For the most part the reasoning I've read has been "Its a Krogan Scientist. Want!". Or basically because it's rare not because its what you need most or whatever. Not that isn't true (your call) just that's not why people were saying they wanted him.
*Sorry if I forgot one of two, but its only been a few if any.
So I'm looking for some insight, (and possible ideas
).Okay so the obvious stuff is that you get a scientist that does ME stuff and a few new techs. What other than that are you expecting? Be realistic here he's a very smart Krogan that choose to go into science and isn't involved in any of the remains of Krogan civilization. Yeah I've got some plot points laid out, I've got some for all of the choices. (I've even thought a little on what they might do if you don't pick them).
Of course exploring people's plots might require those oh so important free time slots
.Not that I have any issues, just curious. I was expecting far more consideration of the possible benefits of the techs and the like.
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