Eve of Destruction Part 2: All Along the Watchtower (Update: Now back to regular turns)

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KingCrimson1081 said:
I mean China at least in our timeline does remove minority cultural and ethnic groups by force along with practicing imperialism and colonialism with their neighbors so I wouldn't call them not genocidal. The only difference is that they do those things under communism rather than fascism.

None of this is to say I am a supporter of the FUSA that place is a shit hole that needs to burn but in the same vein so does the PRC.
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I'm going to be straight with you your logic here is incredibly reductive and like outright wrong. Yes, real world China does bad things, but no, it isn't in fact as bad as FUSA or nazi germany: any analysis that presents them as equivocal is deeply flawed and honestly kinda deeply unserious. The latter two are significantly more repressive and murderous than the former: its a comparison on the level of people who say the soviet union was as bad as the nazis, its the kind of sentiment you only express if you're deep in the anticommunist koolaid.

Like to be frank in real life China is actually extremely normal by the standards of country morality. Most of what it does, real life america does or has done in the past: literally one of the biggest criticisms of the Trump administration (and frankly something Biden should get more flack for as well) was running giant detention centers for immigrants that involved shoving children in cages and countless other human rights abuses.

Yes, China is shitty, but it's shitty in the way most states are shitty: meanwhile nazi germany committed the largest industrialized genocide to date out of pure racial animus and hatred cannibalizing their country to do it and FUSA literally has pretty decent odds of trying its hand at that and worse and then ending the world out of spite.
 
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In regards to going to further war with FUSA, isn't it a problem if we push too hard since it was pointed out that doing so would likely set off the Enclave to launch the nukes themselves? Or are the new technologies from the DoP's actions still boosting FUSA enough that it's a necessity?

Also:
Sponsorships: A bit unorthodox, but it was less work than having to arrange for one of these normally, meaning you freed up just a little more time. 0/25, gain one new Sponsorship to be voted on at the end of the Australia event. +25 for each existing unfulfilled sponsorship.
We may want to pick this one since we do need to do the cloning sponsorship for RADICAL's expansion. Which was noted to be pretty important considering that we are getting a lot of attention. It also comes with the benefit of giving a +25 to our other current sponsorship projects.
 
Red Bovine said:
In regards to going to further war with FUSA, isn't it a problem if we push too hard since it was pointed out that doing so would likely set off the Enclave to launch the nukes themselves? Or are the new technologies from the DoP's actions still boosting FUSA enough that it's a necessity?
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Depends, how are we defining a nuclear launch here. Because dropping *a* nuke on a city is entirely possible, but they aren't going to fire the entire arsenal unless theres a real genuine chance they get overthrown, and NGL you'll probably be able to see that coming from a good distance away.
 
The Bird said:
I'm going to be straight with you your logic here is incredibly reductive and like outright wrong. Yes, real world China does bad things, but no, it isn't in fact as bad as FUSA or nazi germany: any analysis that presents them as equivocal is deeply flawed and honestly kinda deeply unserious. The latter two are significantly more repressive and murderous than the former: its a comparison on the level of people who say the soviet union was as bad on the nazis, its the kind of sentiment you only express if you're deep in the anticommunist koolaid.

Like to be frank in real life China is actually extremely normal by the standards of country morality. Most of what it does, real life america does or has done in the past: literally one of the biggest criticisms of the Trump administration (and frankly something Biden should get more flack for as well) was running giant detention centers for immigrants that involved shoving children in cages and countless other human rights abuses.

Yes, China is shitty, but it's shitty in the way most states are shitty: meanwhile nazi germany committed the largest industrialized genocide to date out of pure racial animus and hatred cannibalizing their country to do it and FUSA literally has pretty decent odds of trying its hand at that and worse and then ending the world out of spite.
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Also since this is Alternate China and based the retro future of 1950's, it's likely several projects from that time worked in some capacity. At least enough to be able to compete with the US.
 
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It's important to recall, that in terms of morality FUSA is literally arresting all chinese-americans, strapping bomb collars on them, and using them as targets in live-fire weapons testing. Those are the actions of a state which will not accept anything less than the complete and utter genocide of their enemies as a victory. China in fallout is nowhere near the levels of evil as the united states, and to think so is just buying into the fascist propaganda as though it is fact.
 
Genuinely cannot stress enough that however evil you think group whatever is unless they're fascist themselves actual fascists are always going to be worse, especially if they're real life fascists or written by anyone who actually understands real life fascism. It is an ideological poison that comes closer than any other political system to being pure, concentrated evil.
 
I think we should at least put out a few hits or unlock one of our enemies's faction cards; RADICAL needs all the help it can get.
 
StarSingerBlue said:
I think we should at least put out a few hits or unlock one of our enemies's faction cards; RADICAL needs all the help it can get.
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You do realize the only thing these faction cards in the Convention does only increase the list of targets not gathering allies for RADICAL right?

If you want new allies for RADICAL, Mama Dolce would be a option since Chinese spy cells will look for the opportunity to contact our organization, thanks to our debut we proven ideological compatible and willing to become a thorn in the side of Uncle Sam and different from NEXT we are willing to be loud and attract the attention of the military.

Heck if we unleash some Liberator drones somewhere can cause real panic among the population even if they destructive capacity is... less than ideal.

Also Mama Dolce unlock a agricultural dice that can be used in Co-op Gardens and the Community Seed Vault.
 
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I need to ask but why are people so insistent on getting the Garrahan sponsorship and the Laser Towers now? To be clear I'm not against helping Garrahan, I'm not even against giving them the grant. In fact I think it makes a lot more sense to give Garrahan the grant to help them directly.

I ask because it just doesn't look like we will even be able to start or even do any of Garrahan's sponsorship or even be able to afford the Laser Towers. Because looking at the previous update we just got close to something like a dozen new projects and a mandate we actually do need to do and again that was just the previous update alone. Looking at our current projects we have something like 8 we need to do along with the Hubologist mandate.

The Tortuga project/mandate alone is going to cost us 4 funding and that's without including the docks. And that one alone requires us to do 3 projects.

With all that along with plans where people give away more of our dice can we really afford to take those projects or even afford to fund the towers? To give an idea how bad things are we didn't even start our last sponsorship, didn't go after House's agent for several turns and have even been putting off mandates simply because we just do not have the time or dice to put on them.

I'm asking because i don't go on the discords, where I imagine most of the discussion is, and am wondering what the plan is going forward and how these potential choices will affect things.
 
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Aliya said:
Garahhan is because one of the updates mentioned that we can create Workers of Appalachia card if we help them beat their competition. But there is limited time to do it.
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Also they unlock several [Industry] projects that can possible be use to further improve the economy and be useful for Post-War America. Also despite ENFERR and Edgar's believes, in cannon there's some hints that Hornwright cheated in order to win so is not doomed as one expects, considering how clumsy and slow robots are, remember 1950's robotics, power armor workers can really tip the scales and start the proliferation of civilian power armor.

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Red Bovine said:
The Tortuga project/mandate alone is going to cost us 4 funding and that's without including the docks. And that one alone requires us to do 3 projects.
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We can always rob Pluto Compound, Pinkertons and RobCo if we so desire, heck if we have unlocked ACME community cards we could even have hit them as well.

Also Tortuga will also unlock several projects that will have the possibility to earn Fund.
 
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Aliya said:
Garahhan is because one of the updates mentioned that we can create Workers of Appalachia card if we help them beat their competition. But there is limited time to do it.
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But can we actually afford that? Because I keep looking at the last two updates and all I can think about is how we just got something like a dozen new things we need to do in a single turn alone and said turn isn't even over yet. And that's not even counting that Edgar himself stating that expanding the Lair since we are going to have people sent after us. Or how we need to go after House's agent because he is causing problems for us, with him outright giving maluses to some of our projects.

And if I'm not remembering wrong I recall us already having dropped or stopped a few projects because we needed to do more urgent things. Though admittedly I only vaguely remember it happening to 2-3 projects. I'm honestly worried about just getting our current projects done since we keep getting things added to our plates all the time.

Would the grant for Garrahan be any help here? Because seems like that would still help significantly and wouldn't require us to divert from the dozens of things we already need to do.

Moving on, while I understand why people insist on Garrahan now why do people insist on getting the laser towers? Because I just don't see us actually building any anytime soon. Even the last Eve quest I think we only really built Laser Towers in one single region. And that was without funding being a serious issue for us at the time. Do we have any information or solid numbers, am assuming that this could have happened in the Discord, for the cost of the towers themselves?
 
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Can I suggest just getting Graham mining partner? The rest of the partnerships will still be there next time and we need to keep dice to do our job.
 
Soberan 123 said:
We can always rob Pluto Compound, Pinkertons and RobCo if we so desire, heck if we have unlocked ACME community cards we could even have hit them as well.

Also Tortuga will also unlock several projects that will have the possibility to earn Fund.
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But aren't we going to be using a ton of our Mischief dice, which we use for bank robbing, on just getting the projects for our lair done? Even then it's not a guarantee that we succeed. Though we may also want to deal with House's agent. That's on top of the other mischief projects we need done. I think a 200 progress project alone would on average need 4 dice to get done.

As for the Tortuga project are the funds a one time thing or a consistent flow of funding?
 
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Here's the thing about working with Garrahan: we need to help them so we can create Workers of Appalachia for two important reasons: Workers of America unite but (more importantly) we need to collect all 50 Workermon so we can assemble the One Big Union and instantly win the game.
 
SMBlade said:
Here's the thing about working with Garrahan: we need to help them so we can create Workers of Appalachia for two important reasons: Workers of America unite but (more importantly) we need to collect all 50 Workermon so we can assemble the One Big Union and instantly win the game.
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Huh? not sure what you mean here. Also where was it mentioned that helping Garrahan and creating the workers of Appalachia would lead to the workers of America uniting?
 
Burrkinator said:
Can I suggest just getting Graham mining partner? The rest of the partnerships will still be there next time and we need to keep dice to do our job.
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Actually they will not, some will stay and others will be gone, much like the sponsorship options.

Red Bovine said:
But aren't we going to be using a ton of our Mischief dice, which we use for bank robbing, on just getting the projects for our lair done? Even then it's not a guarantee that we succeed. Though we may also want to deal with House's agent. That's on top of the other mischief projects we need done. I think a 200 progress project alone would on average need 4 dice to get done.
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Do remember the only project we have a strict time limit is Dr. Feelgood outside from that Tortuga and Cloning Division as long we make some
progress here it should be enough also we can leave them alone for one or two turns without a trouble. These two are more like long term goals to where RADICAL will go and is something that was meant to take a while to complete.

Also we have 8 dices on [Mischief], the only category we don't even need them that much really, plus Edgar, Wilbur and Sophia can use they dices on there as well and two of them have the bonus of the category apply to them. Frankly we have more to enough dices to start some projects in the lair and start robbing Pluto Compound without trouble and the FBI without needing to divert from other areas.

Also remember that we also can earn reward from Australia expedition and depending how it goes funding can be included.

Changing the subject: House Hero unit only cause mallus in actions against RobCo outside from that there's nothing. Frankly I am half tempt to let House study mind control victims, specially the Arcadian Agents, to find out what ENFERR is doing with the heads of these people and figure the weakness of the AI agents.

SMBlade said:
One Big Union and instantly win the game.
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What?
 
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I was shitposting smh I need to remember to include more tonal indicators.
 
Current influence: 5

[] Plan: DaisyTech Liasons
-[] Sell
--[] 1 AGENT +20
--[] 1 SECURITY +20
-[] Buy
--[] DaisyTech Liasons x2 20 each = 40
--[] DoP Finance Grants [Days Technologies]: (0/15 --> 5/15)

A simple plan to gain a die and help DaisyTech by doing joint work with them
 
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chellewalker said:
We had 10 Influence; our failed mandate reduced us to just 5.
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Just saw the infopost i got that number from was not updated yet to include that will adjust my plan.
Can i convince you to sell a funding so we can replace one of the two funding actions with DaisyTech Liasons, those help Daisytech as well and provide a dice that can be used for the laser balloons
 
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sunrise said:
Can i convince you to sell a funding so we can replace one of the two funding actions with DaisyTech Liasons, those help Daisytech as well and provide a dice that can be used for the laser balloons
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Not really; we need 12 Funding in the next couple turns, and giving up one now isn't really worth it to me (and while DaisyTech Liasons wouldn't be nothing, they aren't nearly as significant a boost as the Grants would be).
  • Private Lab (phase 1, Hubologists): 2 Funding
  • Private Lab (phase 2, Reznivok): 4 Funding
  • DoP Factory (phase 1): 3 Funding
  • Power Peanut Plantation (phase 1): -1 Funding
  • DoP Garage (phase 1): 1 Funding Negated by Bootlegger Brigade
  • Hover-Brain Insurance: 2 Funding
  • Criminal Finance (Baton Rouge): 2 Funding
 
Going over the projects again will admit that it does seem like we could take the Garrahan sponsorship without much if any issues. Though that seems like only if we don't overly invest too much in a short time by rushing their projects.

If we do get the Garrahan sponsorship and people are insistent on doing it right away we might want to consider putting other projects on hold. Reason being that we are looking to lose a lot of dice and we have projects that give more dice to make up for it. For example putting off the Menagerie for a turn wouldn't hurt and in fact may be helpful since as a mandate it means we could slow roll it out so that we have more breathing room by having a lot more time to get a mandate done.

At the very least think we should avoid starting any other projects that don't need us to take them until we get a good chunk of our current mandates and projects done.

Soberan 123 said:
Do remember the only project we have a strict time limit is Dr. Feelgood outside from that Tortuga and Cloning Division as long we make some
progress here it should be enough also we can leave them alone for one or two turns without a trouble. These two are more like long term goals to where RADICAL will go and is something that was meant to take a while to complete.

Also we have 8 dices on [Mischief], the only category we don't even need them that much really, plus Edgar, Wilbur and Sophia can use they dices on there as well and two of them have the bonus of the category apply to them. Frankly we have more to enough dices to start some projects in the lair and start robbing Pluto Compound without trouble and the FBI without needing to divert from other areas.
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Actually we probably do really want to start on a lot of those projects right away. Main reason being that a number of them do give some dice which we desperately need. And depending on things think we could actually get something like Tortuga done in two turns if we invest one dice in their projects, so we don't risk them completing before we get the funds, and get lucky enough. Tortuga especially seems like something we want if it unlocks more reliable ways to get funds and maybe even consistent funding.

Another positive with the cloning division projects is that at least one of them doesn't cost funds while giving a big bonus to our personnel.

To be clear again I now think taking the Garrahan sponsorship would be detrimental if take it as long as we don't over do it at the moment. Just seems like if it comes down to it we may want to prioritize getting other stuff done like our mandates and the expansion since we really do need those due to the bonuses we give. If we can do their projects without it taking away from other crucial projects then great, especially since it seems like we may not have to invest that much right away.

Still don't think we would be able to afford the Towers anytime soon, as in even two in game years, based on how things have been going for us. If I'm wrong no biggie, but just saying it may not be practical in the next two years. So we may want to look into other projects that could help with nuclear defense, or dealing with the aftermath, that would be more affordable for us in the mean time. Example that tank sponsorship seems like it would actually be more practical for us at the moment based on what we saw from the benefits.
 
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