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Ebeli Quest: How to Manage your Plot Devices and Save Creation

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LordsFire said:
Once a Celestial Exalt hits Essence 4 (Ebeli is 6), their children will be born as half-castes, and cannot be born as Dragonbloods, even if both parents had the bloodline for it before then. I think Greg has taken that a step further and ruled out Dragonbloodedness for children of Celestials altogether.

Edit: sort-of ninja'd.

Greg, is this an edition gap, or a personal preference gap where you don't make half-casteness automatic?
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Personal preference. I don't like half-caste because if you're going to get a subordinate that can use Solar charms, recruit a Solar.
 
Hm. I really do think that ensuring any hypothetical biological child has a sufficiently heroic hun soul for an Alchemical Exaltation is doable. One of the things that First Age Solars could do was screw around with how a soul would be reincarnated. All Ebeli and Sky would need to do is get a child with the proper sort of hun soul and then get Autochthon to fork over a properly modulated Alchemical Exaltation. Voila, a child who will likely outlive both of his or her Solar progenitors.
 
Emerald Oracle said:
Hm. I really do think that ensuring any hypothetical biological child has a sufficiently heroic hun soul for an Alchemical Exaltation is doable. One of the things that First Age Solars could do was screw around with how a soul would be reincarnated. All Ebeli and Sky would need to do is get a child with the proper sort of hun soul and then get Autochthon to fork over a properly modulated Alchemical Exaltation. Voila, a child who will likely outlive both of his or her Solar progenitors.
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And rather than having to live with them, said child could eventually become their house.
 
GreggHL said:
People who go after this kid will be correct in believing him to be Chejop's reincarnation.
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Partially correct. Kejak's soul has likely already reincarnated or become a ghost, assuming what's-their-name isn't keeping his soul in Yu-Shan.

The crazy demon said:
How long do the Dragonblooded get to live?

Ebeli is Her Redness grandchild no? That might asure the child to Exalt as a Terrestrial.
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GreggHL said:
Ebeli is breeding 4/5, so her child would have a very good chance of exalting as a DB. Also, considering the 90% chance that Ebeli would use a Neomah to create the child, she could also improve the exaltation chances. Normally, DBs live 300-400 years. There are ways of extending the lifespan. How Big Red has lived for 800 years is so far unknown, but 'pact with the Ebon Dragon' is a leading contender.
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Her Redness' long life probably has something to do with her Essence rating of 9. No other DB ever reached Essence 9, and the vast majority never reach 8.
 
jaiveer00 said:
why, does he need help? lets ask ligier then.

if not then i'm wondering why he couldn't make exaltations like he used to, his sickness? i don't think he was lessened in any other way?
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It's more that, depending on how you look at it, the Exaltations are themselves impossible. Creating them is impossible, at least the 700 shards, and hence creating them is such an impossibility that they defied belief. He may have lessened himself to create them like the Incarnae lessened themselves to empower them. But they are, essentially, the rocks too big for God to lift.
 
GreggHL said:
It's more that, depending on how you look at it, the Exaltations are themselves impossible. Creating them is impossible, at least the 700 shards, and hence creating them is such an impossibility that they defied belief. He may have lessened himself to create them like the Incarnae lessened themselves to empower them. But they are, essentially, the rocks too big for God to lift.
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Well then. I know other people who specialize in doing the impossible. Mary Poppins Glorious Solar Bullshit. If Autochthon can't do it because it's impossible, then we'll do it ourselves!
 
...green sun princes are a thing right? can we go kill one, capture their shard, scrub their shard clean of all memories, and implant it into the soul of the child?
 
LordsFire said:
Once a Celestial Exalt hits Essence 4 (Ebeli is 6), their children will be born as half-castes, and cannot be born as Dragonbloods, even if both parents had the bloodline for it before then. I think Greg has taken that a step further and ruled out Dragonbloodedness for children of Celestials altogether.

Edit: sort-of ninja'd.

Greg, is this an edition gap, or a personal preference gap where you don't make half-casteness automatic?
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I'm pretty sure he's said that half-castes as they are in canon aren't a thing.

Also we could just adopt Shoat. This would however require us to have Sol & Autochthon look at her. While her outright flipping to become a solar anytime within a close timeframe is unlikely, we could see if she could become more like a Modern Abyssal so Resonance isn't linked to the Neverborn. May also require tinkering to remove Whispers & Whisper-based charms from the revised charmset if her exaltation is tinkered with.

tl;dr Have Autochthon block out Neverborn fuckery from Shoat, and Adopt Dat Woobie.

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jaiveer00 said:
...green sun princes are a thing right? can we go kill one, capture their shard, scrub their shard clean of all memories, and implant it into the soul of the child?
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Not going to be a thing. Becoming an Infernal requires going through the sort of thing that would result in a solar and failing, and then having a 1st circle glued to you. Subjecting our child to such an ordeal would be far crueler than trying to force a solar/lunar.

Speaking of Infernals, we probably could pull some weight with the Althing Infernal & Reclamation given our connections to Ligier & Ruvelia, plus our agreeing to help Oramus out of his wings.
 
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I think that regardless of who Carjack Ketchup's exaltation welds itself onto, we should look out for them and at the very least keep them from getting ganked. It's a nice thing to do and even if it's not our kid oh noes how horrible it is to have a Sid like us and owe us favors.
 
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FunkyEntropy said:
I think that regardless of who Carjack Ketchup's exaltation welds itself onto, we should look out for them and at the very least keep them from getting ganked. It's a nice thing to do and even if it's not our kid oh noes how horrible it is to had a Sid like us and owe us favors.
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A sidereal who's the successor to the oldest and most powerful sidereal who ever existed who sees us as a mentor and parental figure.
 
GreggHL said:
It's more that, depending on how you look at it, the Exaltations are themselves impossible. Creating them is impossible, at least the 700 shards, and hence creating them is such an impossibility that they defied belief. He may have lessened himself to create them like the Incarnae lessened themselves to empower them. But they are, essentially, the rocks too big for God to lift.
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Not anymore it isn't. They've been made, and that makes it possible now.

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Emerald Oracle said:
Hm. I really do think that ensuring any hypothetical biological child has a sufficiently heroic hun soul for an Alchemical Exaltation is doable. One of the things that First Age Solars could do was screw around with how a soul would be reincarnated. All Ebeli and Sky would need to do is get a child with the proper sort of hun soul and then get Autochthon to fork over a properly modulated Alchemical Exaltation. Voila, a child who will likely outlive both of his or her Solar progenitors.
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Ahem. If an Alchemical can do it, so can Autochthon and/or a Solar. And do it better.
 
[X] Explain further, dear.
-[x] Do you have any idea of the kind of trouble that Exaltation would invite for us and most importantly, for our child?
--[x] I almost prefer trying to make them Exalt as a Solar, but no way in hell I'm letting our kid go through the sort of thing that makes Solars out of Mortals.
---[x] We'd also have to speak with the Lyteks to make sure the Exaltation is completely and entirely clean. I don't want Chejop's memories anywhere near our child.
----[x] And what kind of favor would we owe to the Maidens for them to ensure our kid becomes a Sidereal, anyway?
-[x] And... And... Fine, I guess. It's not that bad a plan.
 
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[X] Ok... That's. Ok, that could work. Need to make sure the exaltation is scrubbed clean, though.
[X] And I was thinking about approaching Autochton to make those alchemical-like artifact exaltations for our children too. Those should grant life-extension.
 
A note, that I think needs clarification. It seemed clear to me that Ebeli and Sky's child that is the reincarnation of Ketchup is likely to be their BIOLOGICAL child, or at least that was the inference I made from how the topic was broached. @GreggHL is that accurate?
 
Emerald Oracle said:
A note, that I think needs clarification. It seemed clear to me that Ebeli and Sky's child that is the reincarnation of Ketchup is likely to be their BIOLOGICAL child, or at least that was the inference I made from how the topic was broached. @GreggHL is that accurate?
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Yes, it would be their biological child. Although Neomah would also be involved.
 
So, would the Hun Soul be Chejop's as well? Or just the Exaltation? Actually, come to think of it, are Sidereal Exaltations tied to Hun Souls? I mean, they generally stick with their bearer from birth, but I'm not sure on the mechanics...
 
Emerald Oracle said:
So, would the Hun Soul be Chejop's as well? Or just the Exaltation? Actually, come to think of it, are Sidereal Exaltations tied to Hun Souls? I mean, they generally stick with their bearer from birth, but I'm not sure on the mechanics...
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So, a Sidereal Exaltation is a Keter Soul, or third soul. It wouldn't be the same hun or po soul as Chejop's, as those would have gone into the Lethe or give birth to a fourteenth Deathlord somewhere in the depths of the Labrynth or whatevs.

In Exalted metaphysics, the soul is itself unimportant. Ghosts are less people, and more the echoes and memories of the people that once existed. Exaltations can also carry memories, and Chejop's successor will have a good amount of baggage- even as thoroughly cleaned as the Lyteks will make his shiny, there will still be echoes.
 
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    • [X] Ok... That's. Ok, that could work. Need to make sure the exaltation is scrubbed clean, though.
    -[X] And I was thinking about approaching Autochton to make those alchemical-like artifact exaltations for our children too. Those should grant life-extension.

    "Explain further, dear." You raise a hand, first. "It's just...there's the sheer amount of trouble an Exaltation- much less Chejop Kejak's- would invite for any child. Although..." You rub your temples, leaning back in your chair. "I guess that we'd have to make sure- or the Lyteks would have to make sure it was scrubbed completely clean and if we wanted immortal children maybe we should just ask Autochthon to make an exaltation or artifact for the children..."

    Sky nods. He reaches across the coffee table and takes your hand.

    "You didn't just suggest this because you want power over the reincarnation of the leader of the Sidereals." You don't ask. You know. Sky would be a great King because he would never seek a throne.

    "Leviathan tortured the descendants of the dragonblooded in Luthe because he believed they were the reincarnations of the ones who killed his lover." He bites his lip. "Anyone who holds a grudge against Chejop Kejak would be right in saying this child is Chejop's reincarnation, but it doesn't make revenge against them any more just."

    You rub your face. Yes, he has a point. But Mother's here and that's draining. "Okay."

    He's right. Whoever the Old Man's successor is going to be is going to have so much baggage. And you liked him. So.

    "So, what, would the Lyteks be present when we conceived?"

    He shakes his hands. "It wouldn't be ours."

    You cock an eyebrow. "Sorry?"

    "The Maidens explained it to me. The Old Man was there for five thousand years. There has been a child fated to have his Exaltation somewhere in Creation right now."

    You fold your arms. "So, adopt them? Bring their family here- which I will admit is one of the nicer places to live? Which makes sense. Group of Solars watching over the reincarnation of the man who ordered the Usurpation's a powerful message." You take a deep breath, and pinch the bridge of your nose. "What would we owe the Maidens for this?"

    Sky shrugs. "I don't know if we'll owe them anything. This is one of their Chosen, and we're protecting them."

    You nod. "Okay. Well...let's consider it. Are we even sure that it would work?"

    Sky rubs the back of his neck. "Honestly? I don't know. But it's burying the hatchet. We helped Lytek and the Old Man do it, so why not between the Old Man and the Solars?"

    You tap your fingers, then finish your tea.

    "Okay. Well, speaking of Exalted children, Bright Star said he was bringing Shoat of the Mire with him. We should introduce her to Autochthon."



    Sky had to check up on the army, and so you cleaned up, changed, and made your way over to your manse. Your manse was Malfean, so a creature of darkness- like Shoat- would be more comfortable. On the way, you saw the immense magitech lion, and in its shade Homkora and Shell- or at least Shell's avatar- were talking.

    "...and then he almost infected the Loom with the sickness," Shell finishes, nursing a bottle of semtex, "Does that sound right?"

    Homkora nods, sipping from her flash. You can see whatever green liquid is inside it going through her translucent form. "About right. Given, I don't really remember it, because it was thousands of years ago, but it sounds about right for his behavior."

    They both nod to you. Both sit in the shade provided by the Colossus, and gesture towards one of the pillows arranged around the bowl of ice. You sit down, tucking your legs underneath you and pull out a bottle of tea. "So not freaking out because she's Alchemical?"

    "I freaked out because he was Autochthon." The glass woman rubs the sides of her mask. "No offense sorcerer, but did you not expect a demon to be terrified of that?"

    "I didn't think of it, and I apologize." You are sincere, at least. Best to change the subject. "So, question? Your eyes are artifacts. What do they do?"

    You push up your glasses, leaning in. Examine the obsidian orbs as Homkora takes a pull from her flask. Rather than letting you examine them, the demon shrugs and tells you.

    "They let me see how things are connected. Relationships, blood, descent, history, ownership. You know, those sorts of things. Like how you two-" She gestures between you and Shell. "Are friends. Or how Shell and the Colossus are the same."

    "So things that become Arcane Links."

    Homkora nods. "Like what you need Orabillis for, right?"

    "Yes. The demon we're trying to find is an undead version of him from Ruvelia's universe, who was basically eaten by the Engine of Extinction."

    "There is nothing about that sentence I like." Homkora folds her arms and hums, leaning back and forth. "Although...now that I think about it, I'm thinking there's another way of we can get an arcane link that doesn't involve, say, taking Autochthon into Malfeas."

    You nod. "Listening."

    "When you mean 'undead', you mean infected by the Voidcancer, yes?"

    You nod.

    "The Voidcancer can serve as an arcane link."

    [ ]Go to the Manse to see Shoat and introduce her to Autochthon.

    [ ]Go to Autochthon to make an Arcane Link using the Voidcancer.

    [ ]Write in.
     
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    • [X]Go to the Manse to see Shoat and introduce her to Autochthon.

    Creating a link between Autochthon and a Third Circle bound to the Engine of Extinction is a bad idea. We're trying to sever such a link already. Besides, I REALLY want to see what happens when we take Autochthon to Malfeas.
     
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