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That greatly depends on your definition of a computer. Arguably, a clock either is a digital, or historically a mechanical computer. Both of your examples needed some form of processing capability in order to fulfill there function, else they would not have a "homing" function.
My definition includes programmable, so an analogue circuit built for one purpose falls outside the definition. If mechanical clocks are included in "computers" then stuff like single relays and centrifugal governors become computers and a mouse trap suddenly becomes a stationary combat drone :)
 
I'm not a rocket scientist nor an aviation specialist so I couldn't even begin to verify that. I studied rocketry and jet engines just enough to understand the basic principles of the SR-71 engines and then moved on to something else. That was 25 years ago, so I'll have to take your word that diesel burns fast enough to get the range described.
 
I'm not a rocket scientist nor an aviation specialist so I couldn't even begin to verify that. I studied rocketry and jet engines just enough to understand the basic principles of the SR-71 engines and then moved on to something else. That was 25 years ago, so I'll have to take your word that diesel burns fast enough to get the range described.

It's not the best turbine fuel but it does work. Kerosene is better, generally. Vegetable oil also works surprisingly well if you thin it down a little, and of course biodiesel will work nicely.

However, we may possibly be getting a little off topic 🤔

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Rorschach's Blot's Watch. It's currently only available on his groups.io group, Caer Azkaban.

Be warned about that place: There's waaaaay more in there than just Rorchack's works. Some of it wouldn't be out of place on QQ.

A tabletop wargame I used to play, that the company that made it sadly went under due to mismanagement, was a space fleet battles game where one of the human factions - the one I played - had as their 'hat' that though they had the biggest fleet, it was largely outdated except for a few rare modern designs started after the cold war went hot - they compensated for this by using ALL THE NUKES.

You wouldn't happen to have the name of that, would you? Because that sounds kinda familiar....
 
It's not the best turbine fuel but it does work. Kerosene is better, generally. Vegetable oil also works surprisingly well if you thin it down a little, and of course biodiesel will work nicely.

However, we may possibly be getting a little off topic 🤔

;)
Well, you know how to fix that, now don't you?

{Edit} Sorry, it was a tempting free shot, I reflexively fired before I realized you were walking in the line of fire.
 
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Let us be honest.

There are combat robots and drones in Mass Effect.
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Robot

Robots are mobile synthetic units. They are deployed by the batarian army on the Ahn'Kedar Orbital Platform to support their assault. Robots have a relatively strong health and shields bar while they can also inflict a good amount of damage. You should deal carefully with those. Like others...
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LOKI Mech

The Hahne-Kedar-manufactured LOKI Mech is a bipedal humanoid security robot designed for security detail and guard duty in locations where manpower is an issue, or where the use of organics for "around the clock" shifts is unfeasible. Initially used exclusively by the Alliance for colony guard...
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Disruption Drone

The Disruption Drone is a CAT6 unit encountered in Mass Effect 3. It is deployed by CAT6 Specialists. See also: Drones Offensive Once deployed, the drone will move slowly and seek out targets, usually at their last known position. When Shepard or a squadmate enters its detection range the drone...
No is arguing that ME doesn't have drones, just that their usage of drones is horrible and their naval tactics specifically are archaic because we have, right now, systems that could easily be applied to ME and would just slaughter Council forces, because that's what happened in comparable earth wars. Basically ME naval tactics is WWI battle fleets IN SPAAAACE. We have had century of technological advancements and tactical innovations that are battle proven and make those totally obsolete. The discussion is more just over what the application of such systems would look like and what the consequences would be, mixed in with some griping over how stupid some of the tactics/tech used are and their in universe justification.

Intereresting that those examples are the slaver race that casually ignores the Council's rules (and gets away with it), or human companies. Also that the times you do encounter automated drones or robots other then the geth, it's in the facility of a company/organization that is ignoring the rules. Such as Cerberus labs, the ultra top secret Alliance military base on the moon that wasn't suppose to exist, or the planet in ME1 dedicated to research projects by various corporations that are highly illegal. And they know it's illegal, thus why they set up someplace where the Council was extremely unlikely to poke their noses in. Also why they actively try to kill Shepard when he/she shows up and starts poking their nose into things. It's also interesting that most of these facilities are ran by humans.

Slight nitpick again. Shepard asked who created the Reapers and Sovereign replies no one, they are eternal. Yet it was proven the Leviathan's created the Reapers hundreds of millions to billions of years ago. <Lie>

Sovereign didn't lie though. It wasn't correct, but it gave the truth as it was aware of it. My understanding is the leviathan created an AI to figure out why the AI of their slave races kept turning on the creators. That AI then turned on the leviathan, creating the first reapers and starting the reaper cycle.
 
I wouldn't be surprised to find out that one or more TLA's monitor certain combinations of hobby parts being done by a given individual or group. Nothing happens until a threshold is passed, then someone from the FAA turns up with a friendly suggestion to scale back the design.
I know that apparently GPS units are required to stop functioning above a certain altitude or speed, for just this reason.
 
... wait, so the Council is basically paranoid about AI, and refuses to build anything that even vaguely looks like it can make a decision without involving an Organic, but then ignored an an army of AI that already mangled the Quarians and just pretended the Geth didn't exist for decades?
yup, for the record the Geth is what started this whole AI phobia. But instead of sending in a turain fleet or something to knock the Geth out the Council decided it was smarter to kick the creator race out and banish them to slow extinction than risk losing ships to a presumably hostile AI force, that became the second galactic bogyman for the next 300 years.

don't try to make the council make sense, you end up seeing the Elder Gods and other such nonsense down that path

I should know I tried and got a headache for my efforts
 
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You wouldn't happen to have the name of that, would you? Because that sounds kinda familiar....
Sure - the space fleet side of things was called Firestorm Armada, and there's a reboot in progress by the company that bought the rights after Spartan Games went under. My faction was called the Terran Alliance, and the other part of their 'hat' was that though their designs were outdated and somewhat fragile structurally, they were the faction that had doubled down on shields once they were developed, refitting their old ships to have more shields than even the faction that originally developed shielding technology, which lead to them being one of the tougher factions, so long as their shields worked correctly (shields in this game worked somewhat like point defence usually does, in that rather than ablative hit points, you rolled your shield rating against most incoming attacks and blocked them if you did well enough. Combined with the exploding dice mechanic, I once watched a frigate shrug off most of an enemy battleship's firepower on some really ridiculously hot rolls).
 
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However, we may possibly be getting a little off topic
Wait... There was a topic? :D

the leviathan created an AI to figure out why the AI of their slave races kept turning on the creators. That AI then turned on the leviathan, creating the first reapers and starting the reaper cycle.
My understanding was that the AI, Wasn't a true AI, more like a VI with delusions. Therefore, when tasked with finding a Why and how to stop it, It couldn't understand 'illogical' things like greed, irrational or religious hated, or indeed any of the million and one other reasons that being's fight (i've seen people almost come to blows over SHOES, so...) As a result, it ws left with a solution of 'organics fight'. everything that happened after - including the reapers - came about due to conflicts between it's 'end wars' and preserve life - at least initially. Add in rampancy, and it's delusions became subscriptions.
 
After the conflicting directives of ending war and conserving organic life caused the reaper cycle, my understanding is that mass effect tech was seeded in as many systems that were likely to develop life periodically to limit tech bases to what the Reapers could overcome.
 
Based on the admittedly small sample size given, I'd guess that the beacons were generally left on the planet reapers expected sentient life to arise on. The assari had a leg up over the other Council races due to them having an archive of reaper tech (not that they knew it was Reaper tech) that gave them a leg up. The games never explain how salarians got to the Citidel, but they probably ha a beacon on their home world too. It's implied that turians got uplifted to fight the krogan, just like the krogan were uplifted to fight the rachni.

If that's the case, then either the beacon in Sol system wasn't on Earth because the reapers goofed and guessed wrong about what planet would have life arise on it, or it was suppose to only be found after whatever race arose was already doing space exploration. If so, then it's possible that the relay in Sol system being used the first time was suppose to be the signel for reapers to come and wipe all sentient life out again. A signel they recieved, but the protheans had managed to sabatage the citidel relay via tampering with the keepers. Thus they didn't have an easy way to swarm the galaxy.
 
yup, for the record the Geth is what started this whole AI phobia. But instead of sending in a turain fleet or something to knock the Geth out the Council decided it was smarter to kick the creator race out and banish them to slow extinction than risk losing ships to a presumably hostile AI force, that became the second galactic bogyman for the next 300 years.
I'm pretty sure that Tali gets all defensive in ME1 about how the Geth gaining sentience was an accident, and the Quarians weren't trying to do anything illegal. Which implies that the AI phobia and anti-AI laws were already a thing before the Morning War.

(Which, at least, would mean that the Quarians weren't exiled from galactic society on the basis of an Ex Post Facto law)
 
I'm pretty sure that Tali gets all defensive in ME1 about how the Geth gaining sentience was an accident, and the Quarians weren't trying to do anything illegal. Which implies that the AI phobia and anti-AI laws were already a thing before the Morning War.

(Which, at least, would mean that the Quarians weren't exiled from galactic society on the basis of an Ex Post Facto law)
the issue is that we have no evidence of what triggered that law of any sort. Hell, we know that no one had any records of the past cycle beyond a few scattered technological storage devices. I guess everyone ended up terrified of their sci fi stories and decided that it was too much of a risk to make AI.

But then you have the issue, if their fears of AI came before the Geth then why would they leave the Geth be for centuries? No matter how you slice it, their reaction makes no sense.
 

Amateur. If its what you were talking about, of course.

... wait, so the Council is basically paranoid about AI, and refuses to build anything that even vaguely looks like it can make a decision without involving an Organic, but then ignored an an army of AI that already mangled the Quarians and just pretended the Geth didn't exist for decades?

It's not that black and white. It's legal to create AIs, but under controlled conditions ( and with draconian security laws ), and it's described clearly that said laws were much ( but much ) light before the geth war. We see AI's activist groups so they had to exist in decent numbers before said war ( and them getting genocided ).

I assume ( yeah right ) that there is a bit of reaper indoctrination or similar, because fully sentient ( and able to go Von Neuman ) AIs are a real threat to them, specially if allied with organics.
 
Computer tech has moved on a lot in the intervening time. The expensive sensors and processing and so on are pretty much commodity products these days. You could literally build a functional cruise missile with a 500 mile range and a decent payload from parts from a good model shop, including a turbine engine, for a few thousand dollars. The only thing I'm surprised about is that no one has actually done it yet...
I wouldn't be surprised to find out that one or more TLA's monitor certain combinations of hobby parts being done by a given individual or group. Nothing happens until a threshold is passed, then someone from the FAA turns up with a friendly suggestion to scale back the design.

You young whippersnappers need to learn your history better. Some guy did design and start to build one for a few thousand dollars back in the mid 2000s. Multiple governments were not amused.
 
You young whippersnappers need to learn your history better. Some guy did design and start to build one for a few thousand dollars back in the mid 2000s. Multiple governments were not amused.

Yeah, I'm familiar with his work. There was a lot of shenanigans around that whole thing. His mistake, of course, was publicizing it like he did...

On the other hand, I remember speculating out loud at a restaurant in San Francisco around 2004 about doing pretty much exactly that and having my US friends look extremely worried and tell me not to mention things of that nature. They were genuinely scared.

Which I thought at the time, and still think, was odd 🤷‍♂️
 
Gee, imagine if that guy and the nuclear Boy Scout got together…

The real trick of course is not to call it a cruise missile but "an autonomous terrain following research drone" designed for "rapid delivery of small packages with high g-tolerance."
 
The real trick of course is not to call it a cruise missile but "an autonomous terrain following research drone" designed for "rapid delivery of small packages with high g-tolerance."
No, the real trick is to get the Army, Marines, or Navy to fund your project to create a low cost 'Light Tactical Cruise Missile'. Or at least that's what I would do.
 
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