Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)

I know! Thank god he has Hermetical Adaptation from Symphogear to allow his heart to improve itself. Along with Ragicite imbuing it.

But honestly, if Joe wanted to he could probably make a new heart that is already better then his current one. But that is the way of madness and not human thinking honestly.
I wonder whether he could do something with Lung's Shard to basically convert his Dragon Bonesteel into Shard or Titan Bonesteel.
 
Some people were asking why Joe would even bother to try and make everyone immune to Jack when he's just going to kill him when he arrives. My interpretation of why he is doing this is because:

1) First off, the most basic reason is just because he can. Even without any emotional or cultural context, Joe is enough of a crafter that testing out one's skills and limits in achieving something, especially at the level he is working at, is something that he naturally wants to do. It'll be a major achievement, a major milestone is he does this and so he wants to do it.

2) Secondly, he hates Jack Slash enough to want to do it just because. Remember, Joe despises the Slaughterhouse Nine and wants nothing more than to dismantle everything about it, including their reputation for being unstoppable monsters. If he can show the world that Jack Slash was just cheating his reputation the entire time, that he could've been stopped a long time ago if only parahumans weren't in charge of everything, and he could show proof by having every powerful parahuman be able to look back and see the effect Jack Slash had on their minds, then the legend of Jack Slash would be destroyed. He'd still be a monster, but no longer the impossible to defeat walking disaster that he is currently seen today.

3) Lastly, there's also the fact that even if Jack Slash is dead, his passenger would still be active. Heck, if his passenger had apparently been so gungho about breaking the rules and abusing its position in the network for Jack's benefit, then there is a very real concern that killing Jack will not be the end of the danger. After all, it could still affect the network without an active host, it's not like it was ever acting under Jack's active direction anyway. Thus, you can only see it as risk prevention if Joe cripples the passenger's ability to potentially do any postmortem shenanigans.
 
He would have to find Lung's Shard first.

He probably could make Shard Bonesteel though. But then again, he already can make stuff similar if not better then it in his workshop. Just look at his computer! He made a personal Moon Cell!
Yeah but he'd probably have a hard time incorporating those materials into his heart without replacing it or it counting as a new heart or something.

Also he's got Lung Bonesteel; he can probably use that to help track down Lung's Shard even without making a clone of him.
 
Yeah but he'd probably have a hard time incorporating those materials into his heart without replacing it or it counting as a new heart or something.

Also he's got Lung Bonesteel; he can probably use that to help track down Lung's Shard even without making a clone of him.
Funny you mentioned that, considering that he used Lung's Dragon form bone and blood to make that Bonesteel. Meaning that technically, Joe's heart is made from a human, a dragon, and a Shard at the same time if you look at it that way.
 
2. Death is not really the end anymore for a character in BCF. After they're dead, Joe can literally put all of their souls in jars and deal with them at a later date if they deserve rehabilitation or not.

The concept of souls interacts weirdly with mind manipulation. Normally, you'd wonder if anything that affects the brain is going to affect the soul, since the soul has no physical brain.

In the case of BCF I believe that Worm mental shard copies are treated as equivalent to souls, which would mean that brainwashing *can* affect the soul. This would also raise the question of if Joe can notice that some of the souls he's collected have been brainwashed and need to be fixed. It also raises the question of whether souls that have been brainwashed into being evil count as evil souls, if that ever matters.
 
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"The Simurgh, Behemoth's kill field, Sleeper's shaker effect, and any other parahuman power out there. Less abstract powers might have physical interactions, but unless they can move a planet, they aren't going to be knocking you around." I explained. "Even sensing powers are going to fall flat. Really, there is nothing that's going to be able to cover the distance necessary to reach you."
Lisa's power is going to have fun with this next time she interacts with Aisha. Nothing says you're looking at a "totally normal girl" like discovering she's technically on a different planet.
 
Huh. Lisa's power might just shut up for a moment. Or start babbling that Aisha's not there. I'm pretty sure it won't be able to figure out that the problem is that she's somehow on a completely different planet with absurd celestial mechanics.
 
In the case of BCF I believe that Worm mental shard copies are treated as equivalent to souls, which would mean that brainwashing *can* affect the soul. This would also raise the question of if Joe can notice that some of the souls he's collected have been brainwashed and need to be fixed. It also raises the question of whether souls that have been brainwashed into being evil count as evil souls, if that ever matters.
Actually I believe there is a WOG that the shards do hold the souls of parahumans. And this is shown when Joe managed to strengthen the two heroes trapped in the Butcher shard.
 
Lisa's power is going to have fun with this next time she interacts with Aisha. Nothing says you're looking at a "totally normal girl" like discovering she's technically on a different planet.
I don't think Tattletale has any sensory powers, just deductions (allegedly) from what her human senses can perceive, so her ability shouldn't be affected. On the other hand, if her Shard is using additional monitoring abilities near her, it will notice. The question then is, how does it react?
 
Just popped into my head, but can anyone imagine the emotional rollercoaster Hunch has been going through?
First, his friend/idol gets a promotion but it involves a transfer so they aren't on the same team anymore.
Then Weld gets suplex-ed into the Bay and, thanks to March running around, his Thinker power doesn't help much if at all.
Thirdly, Weld shows up again, no one will talk about how he was rescued, but there are obvious (to Hunch) changes in his appearance and how he holds himself.
Then the call, obviously being monitored, but with a demonstration from Weld that his powers (and himself) have been changed.
And then watching the container yard fight, seeing the person who might be able to help Case 53's get exploded in midair and nearly executed.
His blood pressure must have been insane during all this.
 
I don't think Tattletale has any sensory powers, just deductions (allegedly) from what her human senses can perceive, so her ability shouldn't be affected. On the other hand, if her Shard is using additional monitoring abilities near her, it will notice. The question then is, how does it react?

IIRC, Tattletale's shard will also cheat a bit, hitting up other shards for info on occasion.
 
Even if her power isn't directly feeding her information from any Shard's scan, it can still do so indirectly, for example by pointing out Regent's telltale micro-reactions to not finding Aisha's nerves.
 
1) First off, the most basic reason is just because he can. Even without any emotional or cultural context, Joe is enough of a crafter that testing out one's skills and limits in achieving something, especially at the level he is working at, is something that he naturally wants to do. It'll be a major achievement, a major milestone is he does this and so he wants to do it.
Apeiron: I want to defeat villains and help people.
Earth Bet: That's a mercenary lie! Where's your real ulterior motive?
Apeiron: *through gritted teeth* I'm a perfectionist overachiever who loves showing off.
Earth Bet: Understandable, carry on.
 
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Question - Is LordR planning on updating his Girl Genius AU regularly or was his 2nd chapter a rare treat?
As far as I know, no. Only on special ocasions
On the bright side, whenever BCF finishes, Lord might decide to make ECF his main writing focus.

There's no harm in hoping.

I don't believe the author has said one way or another. His posts are usually, well, chapters or announcements of delays. He also posts occasionally thanking people for omakes and corrections. I think he responds more on Archive of Our Own, but I don't know for certain since I don't follow BCF there.

That said, I believe both chapters of Europa's Celestial Forge were on the (third and fourth) anniversaries of the fic, which would seem to imply that the next one won't be until around the same time next year. (Because I seriously doubt BCF will be done by then, unless it's by abandonment, which is no good for anyone!)
 
We got some more WoG from roust on Archive of our own and there are some good ones.

Information relating to how Blessing of Apollo and unnatural skill Healing will change helping the case 53s
Either healing or medicine would have made a big difference, but with both being boosted there's not much challenge. It's even possible that he might be able to create some standardized treatment, rather than needing to tailor the procedure to each Case 53, though that will take a bit of time and experimentation based on the first few treatments.

Taylor still has zero chill
With Taylor's armor she's not taking much damage, though the Nanites would address other possible sources of harm. Probably need to worry about what happens when Taylor realizes she doesn't need to breathe, eat, can't get sick or poisoned and can function perfectly well in hazardous environments. Just off the top of my head, I'm imagining her having a hard time coming up with a reason why she shouldn't always be on fire when out in her hero identity, since it's an effective deterrent against melee attacks and she's consistently unbothered by heat and smoke
 
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Taylor still has zero chill
Taylor's entire personality is composed of 100% pure anti-chill, what did you expect?

Skitter: hey, tats, look; with this new upgrade I can set myself on fire and barely notice. I should go out like this all the time.
Tattletale: no! You can't go out on fire, it will ruin your stealth!
S: ah! I already thought of that!
T: *muttering* oh god, she already thought of that…
S: methanol burns invisibly, see?
T: *panicking because the ceiling tiles are already melting* you'll ruin your hair!
S: oh… well maybe Joe knows some magic hair care products? He'd pretty much have to, right?
 
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Taylor still has zero chill

The problem with her is more that the bullying left it's scars including severe self worth issues which means she dives into a cap life as escapism as there she can be worth something. Except that's something she constantly feels the need to prove especially to her self so she's pretty much always pushing to be working on achieving something especially for whatever big crusade she has going at the moment. The real problem for canon though is that she wants to personally achieve things with her own two hands which is a large chunk of why she doesn't like her own power because she wants to be Alexandria basically or at least the type of master like Genesis who basically sends her consciousness into a projection. Honestly once she realises it she's going to reach the point she should rename herself to Leroy Jenkins because even without brute powers that's how canon Lisa and Brian feel about her.
 
I don't think Tattletale has any sensory powers, just deductions (allegedly) from what her human senses can perceive, so her ability shouldn't be affected. On the other hand, if her Shard is using additional monitoring abilities near her, it will notice. The question then is, how does it react?
Remember how it reacted to The Avid Glove? Some shard fuckery absolutely going on!
 
Taylor still has zero chill

Lord WoG said:
With Taylor's armor she's not taking much damage, though the Nanites would address other possible sources of harm. Probably need to worry about what happens when Taylor realizes she doesn't need to breathe, eat, can't get sick or poisoned and can function perfectly well in hazardous environments. Just off the top of my head, I'm imagining her having a hard time coming up with a reason why she shouldn't always be on fire when out in her hero identity, since it's an effective deterrent against melee attacks and she's consistently unbothered by heat and smoke



And this is why Taylor doesn't get the really big goodies.

(original artist - Blastweave - source)
 
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