For context in the comic Panther ww2 tie in's their role was actually to give Cap his shield its a good one shot story where cap ventures to Wakanda, having him meet Tchalla's grandpa could be a strong element but him being captured would cause a war and strain credulity.
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Kir the Wizard
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Not if he decided to go adventuring/volunteer fighting against the Nazis on his own while still a prince. If needed, there are ways to handwave this, but, either way, we do not really need to definitely set up other heroes.
Anyway, while we still can't vote, my thoughts:
[ ] [Behind Enemy Lines] Steve goes rogue on his own to rescue Jim from the clutches of HYDRA, avoiding Bucky so that he doesn't rope the young man into this. However, unbeknownst to him, Bucky's already gathering a squad of soldiers to assist Steve in his unsanctioned mission.
*This will establish characters for the Liberty Legion as already being gathered around Bucky and Steve.
[ ] [P.O.W.] There are cameos of other Marvel characters in this base. Write down how many and who they are.
*Not going to focus on that one right now, but Wakanda-related character is a must, the rest can be Golden Age heroes of one's choice, but PLEASE don't turn mutant characters into inhumans. They (like the Eternals) are a specific setting with its own atmosphere, that shouldn't be used as "our X-Men". For synergy, we can use the counterparts of characters seen on Spider-Man TAS at the time.
[ ] [The Head] Johann Schmidt, the Red Skull. Horrifically disfigured and grotesque as the comic portrays him, he is one of Hitler's private confidants and the leader of HYDRA.
-[ ] [The Head] However, the 1940s Zemo and von Strucker can be present as background or secondary characters in HYDRA leadership scenes.
*He is less HYDRA-centric than the others, but this is pretty much the only time it will make sense to introduce Red Skull, the Cap's archenemy, for it to make sense (and he fits the logo of that time), others have a better line of successors. Especially Zemo. However, we can still add the predecessors as more "background" HYDRA characters. Maybe make it so Schmidt is not the "Supreme Hydra", but HYDRA's main liason to the Nazi regime, and introduce his Japanese counterpart.
[ ] [Tales of Suspense] Jim Hammond is no longer human, but a brain inside a robotic exterior crafted in eerie lifelike fashion to a mortal man. He possesses pyrokinetic abilities and displays no emotion whatsoever.
*We'll need some ILM-level mastery for this, but anything less would be a disservice.
[ ] [The Shield] Classical.
*I think we can make sense of it as a re-painted trophy German nobleman's shield. When we introduce Cap into the modern storylines, we can have the Wakandans award him with the Modern shield as thanks for saving their prince/king.
[ ] [Placeholder Name] The Torch. (Marvel Exec Roll)
*It's not a huge deal, but if it is allowed, it's good. If not - not a big deal.
[ ] [Liberty Legion] Yes, other metahumans that join Steve's squad, several being notable names from the comics but don't have a large role beyond that.
*The Spider-Man TAS guys I mentioned, plus, possibly, the Black Panther predecessor.
[ ] [MacGuffin] This might need something more fleshed out. Maybe the Spear of Destiny?
*Fits the Nazi era and has some established background that the viewers can recognize. We can always say that the "Cube hidden inside it powered the Spear all along" if we really want to connect it to the Cosmic Cube storyline later.
[ ] [War Assets] By this point in the war, the Allies and the Axis are at a stalemate due to the metahumans on each other's side. For the Liberty Legion, there exists HYDRA's empowered superhumans. Until a solution is found, the war will slowly become one of attrition.
*Doesn't quite fit Marvel's "world outside your window" thing, but this is a much more interesting plot.
[ ] [First Contact] Reports of HYDRA attempting to clean up an excavation center send Steve and his squad in to investigation, only for it to be a trap where the first German superman is waiting for them: Master Man.
*Since the director is looking for an ambush
[ ] [Turning Point] At the height of the battle, Bucky pushes Cap out of the way of falling debris and is crushed to death, filling Steve with trauma at being the reason for his best friend's death.
*A no-brainer, I think.
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Honestly, my inner historian reject any scenario where bar wunderwaffen like the spear of destiny that the nazi's can win
Could we sub in Zemo Sr for masterman as as the midboss? Have him kill Bucky like he does in the comics, in the climax?
I'd say we should hold of on too many meta's at this stage, though I wouldnt mind a namor invaders team up movie. It would be funny to have us imply the Bishmark didnt go down to allies but a angry Namor(we don't name him so we shouldnt get in trouble). If we introduce a black Panther he should be more of a almost guest star or 6th ranger who shows up in the climax to help out.
I like this. Can I add it to my plan?
You are correct about that and usually I would not do this but, I think there could be some great plot threads here that we can use. Heck one of the members was raised by Inhumans.
Also I don't want to use Inhumans as our "X-men" I want to use them to explain why there are Metahumans in our cinematic universe.
Plus I think Nazis killing a bunch of people with Terragen Mist would show how evil they truly are.
Kir the Wizard
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It would set up Cap's instant hate for Zemo's descendant in the future. Though I doubt we'll be able to repeat the plane scene, or remove Master Man entirely, considering how Zemeckis is so gushing over the character. I guess we could need to change that vote to something like...
[ ] [Turning Point] Bucky tries to take the Master Man's attention to help Cap, but is shot in the back by Zemo-led HYDRA officers, getting away on a prototype German transport helicopter.
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Seeing as in my plan I am going with both Zemo and Bucky options would you mind if I used this?
...Anything I should edit into my plan or possibly change...?
Voting will end in 3 hours. Make your final calls now.
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Kir the Wizard
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[X] Plan: Just Wait A Minute
-[X] [Behind Enemy Lines] Steve goes rogue on his own to rescue Jim from the clutches of HYDRA, avoiding Bucky so that he doesn't rope the young man into this. However, unbeknownst to him, Bucky's already gathering a squad of soldiers to assist Steve in his unsanctioned mission.
-[X] [P.O.W.] There are cameos of other Marvel characters in this base. A Wakandan prince, who decided to go adventuring/volunteer fighting against the Nazis on his own. There are also Golden Age heroes, for synergy, we can use the counterparts of characters seen on Spider-Man TAS at the time.
-[X] [The Head] Johann Schmidt, the Red Skull. Horrifically disfigured and grotesque as the comic portrays him, he is one of Hitler's private confidants and the leader of HYDRA. However, the 1940s Zemo and von Strucker be present as secondary characters amongst the HYDRA leadership, and Zemo is also involved in the death of Bucky scene, setting up the rivalry between Cap and his dynasty in the future.
-[X] [Tales of Suspense] Jim Hammond is no longer human, but a brain inside a robotic exterior crafted in eerie lifelike fashion to a mortal man. He possesses pyrokinetic abilities and displays no emotion whatsoever.
-[X] [The Shield] Classical: make sense of it as a re-painted trophy German nobleman's shield. When we introduce Cap into the modern storylines, we can have the Wakandans award him with the Modern shield as thanks for saving their prince/king.
-[X] [Placeholder Name] The Torch. (Marvel Exec Roll)
-[X] [Liberty Legion] Yes, other metahumans that join Steve's squad, several being notable names from the comics but don't have a large role beyond that: The guys from Spider-Man TAS, plus, possibly, the Black Panther predecessor.
-[X] [MacGuffin] This might need something more fleshed out. Maybe the Spear of Destiny?
-[X] [War Assets] By this point in the war, the Allies and the Axis are at a stalemate due to the metahumans on each other's side. For the Liberty Legion, there exists HYDRA's empowered superhumans. Until a solution is found, the war will slowly become one of attrition.
-[X] [First Contact] Reports of HYDRA attempting to clean up an excavation center send Steve and his squad in to investigation, only for it to be a trap where the first German superman is waiting for them: Master Man.
-[X] [Turning Point] Bucky tries to take the Master Man's attention to help Cap, but is shot in the back by Zemo-led HYDRA officers, getting away from the excavation center on a prototype German transport helicopter.
-[X] [Behind Enemy Lines] Steve goes rogue on his own to rescue Jim from the clutches of HYDRA, avoiding Bucky so that he doesn't rope the young man into this. However, unbeknownst to him, Bucky's already gathering a squad of soldiers to assist Steve in his unsanctioned mission.
-[X] [P.O.W.] There are cameos of other Marvel characters in this base. A Wakandan prince, who decided to go adventuring/volunteer fighting against the Nazis on his own. There are also Golden Age heroes, for synergy, we can use the counterparts of characters seen on Spider-Man TAS at the time.
-[X] [The Head] Johann Schmidt, the Red Skull. Horrifically disfigured and grotesque as the comic portrays him, he is one of Hitler's private confidants and the leader of HYDRA. However, the 1940s Zemo and von Strucker be present as secondary characters amongst the HYDRA leadership, and Zemo is also involved in the death of Bucky scene, setting up the rivalry between Cap and his dynasty in the future.
-[X] [Tales of Suspense] Jim Hammond is no longer human, but a brain inside a robotic exterior crafted in eerie lifelike fashion to a mortal man. He possesses pyrokinetic abilities and displays no emotion whatsoever.
-[X] [The Shield] Classical: make sense of it as a re-painted trophy German nobleman's shield. When we introduce Cap into the modern storylines, we can have the Wakandans award him with the Modern shield as thanks for saving their prince/king.
-[X] [Placeholder Name] The Torch. (Marvel Exec Roll)
-[X] [Liberty Legion] Yes, other metahumans that join Steve's squad, several being notable names from the comics but don't have a large role beyond that: The guys from Spider-Man TAS, plus, possibly, the Black Panther predecessor.
-[X] [MacGuffin] This might need something more fleshed out. Maybe the Spear of Destiny?
-[X] [War Assets] By this point in the war, the Allies and the Axis are at a stalemate due to the metahumans on each other's side. For the Liberty Legion, there exists HYDRA's empowered superhumans. Until a solution is found, the war will slowly become one of attrition.
-[X] [First Contact] Reports of HYDRA attempting to clean up an excavation center send Steve and his squad in to investigation, only for it to be a trap where the first German superman is waiting for them: Master Man.
-[X] [Turning Point] Bucky tries to take the Master Man's attention to help Cap, but is shot in the back by Zemo-led HYDRA officers, getting away from the excavation center on a prototype German transport helicopter.
We have our winner. Plan: Justice and Liberty for All.
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...I didn't realize voting even started. That's a shame.
What properties do we even actually own? I tried to compile a bit of a list and it's seems extensive but also limited. I think that Punisher and Captain America movies would work incredibly well, but I also like the idea of popularizing very minor characters by reimagining them how we see fit.
I think that a Brother Voodoo movie would go super hard, for one.
I think that a Brother Voodoo movie would go super hard, for one.
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If you'll look in Informational, you'll see what properties are owned by your competitors and who you have left.