All Level, No Experience (Worm/Pathfinder Amnesia Quest)

Mmm yes I remember hearing once in a dnd campaing a group was about to have this epic fight with this end game enemy that was waking up from a tomb on top of a flight of stairs.

As he was about to decend the mage asked if he could cast grease on the stairs and rolled a nat 20.

The enmy fell through the stairs one by one until it reached the bottom, already dead.
 
Mmm yes I remember hearing once in a dnd campaing a group was about to have this epic fight with this end game enemy that was waking up from a tomb on top of a flight of stairs.

As he was about to decend the mage asked if he could cast grease on the stairs and rolled a nat 20.

The enmy fell through the stairs one by one until it reached the bottom, already dead.
This sounds to me like a third-hand garbled rumor, or someone outright making up random shit and saying "nat 20" to make it seem D&D-ish. It's not just that natural 20 doesn't work that way in D&D rules. It's that the mage doesn't roll to cast Grease. The only person rolling in that situation would be the enemy rolling to not slip.

I am rather annoyed at this kind of hype rumor, because I run D&D games, and sometimes I have gotten first-timers saying things like "can I make all his bones explode? I had a nat 20" because they have heard this kind of rumor before joining the game. Then I have to patiently explain that a natural 20 is a relatively common occurrence, the party will make far more than 20 attacks and skill checks in the course of a campaign, a natural 20 doesn't even guarantee a critical hit, much less a license to rewrite reality.
 
Wait, yeah, hold up, I just skimmed over it, but now that I'm actually looking at it, you are correct, Exmorri. That's, oh that's also giving me flashbacks of the times I've gotten people like that in games I've been in or tried to run, just, eulgh. Also, at that level at the end of the campaign, it's not even a thing of 'asking to cast grease', it's just, casting the spell. I swear, the number of times I've run into people who say they want to play D&D/Pathfinder, yet aren't willing to read the rules, as in any of them, is just too many.

Actually, now that I think about it, that 'story' has pretty much only the relating thread of Grease being a spell. Heck, I don't think there's even actually anything that says you take damage from rolling down the stairs, or that Grease even does cause people to slip in any particular direction. That and fall damage has pretty much always, at least in my areas of knowledge of 3.5, PF, and 5e, capped out at 20d6. What the heck kind of endgame enemy, for one, can't make the reflex save against a 1st level spell, or even then, for two, can't handle, at absolute most, 120 nonmagical bludgeoning damage?

Definitely what Exmorri said, third-hand (at best, if not 'eighth-hand to someone who wasn't even payig attention') story, at best.

Unrelated, I do, in fact, have that Thursday thing again, so as I mentioned I might have to, I'm gonna need to extend the vote another day to ensure I can actually write the chapter come the time.
 
What the heck kind of endgame enemy, for one, can't make the reflex save against a 1st level spell, or even then, for two, can't handle, at absolute most, 120 nonmagical bludgeoning damage?
On that specific point: possibly First Edition where monsters didn't have a Constitution score yet and their hit points were all tiny. The Pit Fiend, for example, once had a mere 13d8 hit points, average 58.5. ;)
 
Eh idk, I remember watching on a video, tho it was a while ago.

I still find the idea funny tho.
 
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[X] Yes.
-[X] Mingle with the other capes.
-[X] Bring in constructs to assist in rebuilding efforts, while you're here.
-[X] Ask to keep a part of the endbringer corpse.
--[X] Endbringer Ichor
 
Which is an infinite loop of constantly gaining MP.
Tbh, the real Int 50+ is having a copy of Pathfinder 1e memorised and able to quick recall for relevant stuff (so many things you can build lol), as well as a willingness to munchkin lmao.

3 (Super Ghost-Touch) * 768 (Maximised 128d6) * 11 (Crit Power, minimum value) * 1800/6 (combat rounds) = 7.6 million HP at minimum, expected 10.3million HP discounting whatever Dimensional Lock prevented.

...Dazing Maximised Quickened Empowered Seeking Battering Blast in the staff when?
Edit based on new info: Hahaha no that's nowhere near enough :/
 
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3 (Super Ghost-Touch) * 768 (Maximised 128d6) * 11 (Crit Power, minimum value) * 1800/6 (combat rounds) = 7.6 million HP at minimum, expected 10.3million HP discounting whatever Dimensional Lock prevented.
Not quite on the math, since the 11-20 isn't a variable crit multiplier, it's "If you rolled this number on the die before modifiers, and it hits, it threatens a critical hit", and putting aside the whole thing of confirming a crit in 3.5/PF, the x20 is always the multiplier. So it's closer to

2 [base natural attacks] * 3 [triple the nat attacks] *( ((768*20 [Crit Multiplier])*0.5 [odds of getting a crit]) + (768*0.5 [odds of non-crit]) ) = Average Damage Per Round of that particular Eidolon loadout, assuming all attacks hit, which works out to I believe 48,384 per hit.

So, with the Simurgh's total health being X, and accounting for the 120 damage you lot did, we end up with (X-120)/48384. I think I might have mucked up the numbers or exact number of minutes it took somewhere, I think I accidentally added one or so when writing it than strict mathematics would imply, but eh, let's just assume Eidolon was like, dodging or such to account for that.

Anyhow, the actual health the Simurgh had, since she's dead and it probably won't affect things to tell y'all, was 3,000 HP + 2,010,000, over 200 HD.

And she was, physically speaking, the weakest of them. That and if it hadn't been for certain factors, she'd have had a +20 Insight bonus to a lot of her rolls, AC, and all of her mental stats, ever-increasing healing as you got deeper, which good luck with that, since the Endbringers's sheets default to using scientific notation in their Damage Reduction before you hit a quarter of the way in.

The Entities are so powerful in some areas and so damn dumb in others, and if there's one area that the power part absolutely would show by my view of it, is the fundamental understanding of "Hit hard and be bigger". Pure, raw, numbers.

So even with that, it still took Eidolon minutes of just straight whaling on Ziz.

Heck, part of me feels like I might've said too much already, but I'm actually tempted to share Ziz's stat sheet.
 
I guess there's also making our Staff a Called Returning Flying Impervious Phase Locking Unseen Staff to prevent it from being stolen? LW > Aura of Inviolate Ownership??
(Or Wish > Instant Summons (Contingency'd if that is valid RAW), Sovereign Glue in combat, and/or Stone Of Alarm + duplicate with Magic Aura)

Aside from Sphere of Annihilation, there's also LW spam of Enervation (or Mythic Enervation), but I'm not sure how well that will go without the Enervation cast that way being eligible for Metamagic lol.
(200 Negative Levels seems far easier for us to output instead of whatever nonsense is required to get past DR Yes/- the hard way)
 
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the endbringer's fall into the construct category so I don't think this would work as negative energy only effects the living
This might be fixable with the right splatbook spells.

I forget the names, it's something like 'Negative Shroud' and 'Positive Shroud', a pair of spells where the first gives the caster various undead immunities for the duration, and the second removes those immunities from an undead creature target. There's a lesser similar spell As You Were that makes undead temporarily vulnerable to poison.

I don't know if an applicable spell exists, but it's at least conceivable that something similar works to remove construct immunity to negative energy, possibly as a side effect of a mostly-beneficial spell to benefit from positive energy healing.
 
Actually, it looks like the Endbringers aren't Constructs.

Constructs are immune to Fatigue, and the Simurgh got tired when hit by the Sirroco.

Which means they're probably actually 'living' enough to count as Abberations.

Negative Level spam may well be an answer, since there are no-save ways of inflicting some.
 
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Scheduled vote count started by Sckribe on Feb 21, 2024 at 3:58 AM, finished with 30 posts and 6 votes.

  • [X] Yes.
    -[X] Mingle with the other capes.
    -[X] Bring in constructs to assist in rebuilding efforts, while you're here.
    -[X] Ask to keep a part of the endbringer corpse.
    --[X] Endbringer Ichor
    [X] Yes.
    -[X] Mingle with the other capes.
    -[X] Ask to keep a part of the endbringer corpse.
    [X] Yes.
    -[X] Teleport in Tattletale to get more information
    -[X] Mingle with the other capes.
    -[X] Bring in constructs to assist in rebuilding efforts, while you're here.
    -[X] Ask to keep a part of the endbringer corpse (ask Tattletale for advice for what's more useful for us perhaps)
 
ALNE - 6.5
Scheduled vote count started by Sckribe on Feb 21, 2024 at 3:58 AM, finished with 30 posts and 6 votes.

  • [X] Yes.
    -[X] Mingle with the other capes.
    -[X] Bring in constructs to assist in rebuilding efforts, while you're here.
    -[X] Ask to keep a part of the endbringer corpse.
    --[X] Endbringer Ichor
    [X] Yes.
    -[X] Mingle with the other capes.
    -[X] Ask to keep a part of the endbringer corpse.
    [X] Yes.
    -[X] Teleport in Tattletale to get more information
    -[X] Mingle with the other capes.
    -[X] Bring in constructs to assist in rebuilding efforts, while you're here.
    -[X] Ask to keep a part of the endbringer corpse (ask Tattletale for advice for what's more useful for us perhaps)

Very quickly and intra-unanimously, you had decided to stick around rather than just leave immediately, particularly considering taking the opportunity to speak with some of the present capes, and potentially even- though you weren't quite fully sure of the idea- offer the aid of some of your Terra-Cotta Assistants in the rebuilding efforts. That, and also with the intention of asking to keep some of the Ichor for yourself, not only did you just plain want that, especially since after it died there's been a steady flow from any damaged part of the Simurgh's corpse

To say that the mood was good, would be mostly accurate. Sure, amongst some there was a bit of sentimentality in the direction of those that had died in the first minute, but for the most part it was more a sense that it was a shame they weren't able to hold out that little bit longer to see this moment happen, rather than their deaths being unexpected. No, after all the photos were taken, Legend had even gone right into something of a speech, including how today had the lowest death toll in the history of facing the Endbringers. It was a touch convenient for all parties that he had started speaking before you stopped recording with your camera.

He finished his speech, "...Every one of us, hero, vigilante, and even villain, today, we've made history."

You, however, also caught- not on camera but simply on your own, how Shadow Stalker seemed about to speak up on that one, before Alexandria looked right at her, and the celebrating broke out, and you elected to stop recording right there.

Landing yourself on the ground, you lifted your staff and hit it with a quick Memory of Function to top it off, and then addressed the crowd yourself, "Pardon me a moment, all, if I could have your attention?"

When they turned to you, you took your phone back out and said, while typing in one hand, "For the Protectorate capes present, there are for the most part publicly available emails I can send the photos to, but if anyone else would like copies, or if any protectorate heroes would like some sent to a different location, please step up to inform me, or simply if you'd like to speak a moment. I would also like to speak with the more official voices about a couple matters relating to the aftermath, after this, however- relax, those of you I can see tensing up, it's nothing of concern."

Indeed, a good few people had gone up, and after only one push for them to form an actual line, you were able to start going through them. Not overly many capes were waiting, most of them had even just vaguely shouted a general message in your direction as they figured out who went where as a teleporter named Strider soon showed up to start taking people back. To which you did have to state rather loudly that yes, you could also teleport people back to where you picked them up, also pro bono in the same vein as picking them up. That had resulted in an exceptionally small bit of jostling about losing their place in line, which was quickly settled though as one of them simply paused and said out loud, "We're in line to ask for the photos of us in front of Eidolon killing the Simurgh, from the man who held her down, and we're treating this like we just got off a shitty themepark rollercoaster. Why the fuck do I care if I'm one space late? Just have it, man."

It was quick enough to simply go through the line, exchange greetings, pretty much unanimously receive thanks, with only the occasional mention of you slipping them, followed by you guiding them back onto track and sending off the group photo and the one containing them to whatever phone number or email they listed. After only a couple of minutes, with only a few people left the line dissolved- funnily enough a few others also from Brockton.

In particular, Armsmaster was present, next to Shadow Stalker, whom-

Hm, yep. If she had seemed like she was on par with a lesser cleric or such before, now with your improved ability to actually read people, you could tell she was on par with the most dedicated of Cultists you'd seen before. As in, on the uppermost end of cultists, the kind that started to get loyal beyond the promises of power, riches, etc. that whatever particular demon lord or archdevil offered.

Other than those two was a few Dragon suits, one of whom actually did hold Dragon's primary self, so of course that one was the one you would be looking at, to Dragon's much faded but no less impressed or appreciative surprise, and lastly Legend, who was also on ground level having landed, while in the background was Alexandria and Eidolon, as the two flew off-

Now wait up. You shouted towards them, "Alexandria, Eidolon, hold a moment! The Simrugh's corpse is actually part of what I wanted to speak with someone about!"

As they approached, said corpse in hand, and Shadow Stalker nearly stepped away before seemingly noticing that nobody else was, and so kept in place, even if your eyes she couldn't hide how she kept her weight leaned out.

You continued, "Yes, I was hoping to speak with you about acquiring a part of the corpse for myself."

It was interesting how between all of the masks, costumes (and AI nature inside a robot frame), and general natures of the people nearby, a typical person wouldn't have been able to see the general bafflement, yet with your own extreme perceptiveness it was fairly clear.

Regardless, you keep speaking, "In particular, I was hoping to request the ichor, if not all of it then at least a fairly substantial amount."

It was then that Alexandria floated down, and Legend responds, "If I could ask, why?"

After only a moment of thought, you say, "I am confident that my tinkering capabilities could work with the ichor quite well, and to my knowledge it is something for which there should be a relative abundance. Beyond that, I am confident in my knowledge of the various sciences, and am confident that I could do a fair amount of research into it, especially once I've set up a proper lab at some point."

It's then that Alexandria actually chimes in, "You're only confident? Not certain?"

You say, "To claim absolute certainty with the knowledge I currently have would be incorrect, however, if I could see the body a touch closer and perhaps interact with it just slightly, I might be able to speak more certainly."

Before Alexandria can do more than slightly open her mouth, Eidolon floats down with the body as well and simply says, "Of course."

It seemed to settle the matter, though you didn't care as you looked closely at the corpse, and, after looking at Eidolon and gesturing, he nodded and tilted it so that the ichor would start pouring out again as you looked closely (during which time the Haste, Eyebite, and remaining Walls of Force expired) and briefly stuck your hand under it, watching move throughout. It managed to confirm one thing for you. Endbringer parts, ichor included, would make for incredible talismanic components to magic item creation, similar to dragon heartblood, yet better.

That was because for one, from your examination, endbringer ichor could could be used at a rate of approximately 1 ounce/vial per 1,000 GP for any item, except for those items which would 'align' particularly with the Endbringer and what it was, where it would be able to provide twice as much effect. At least, so far as you could gather from the Simurgh's ichor, which you could tell would be able to provide the equivalent of 2,000 GP for items relating to mental manipulation, foresight, hindsight (which caught you unexpectedly), telekinesis, and flight.

And secondly, from the moment the first drop touched your hand you could tell, the ichor, and upon close examination body itself, was crystal in nature. Meaning you in particular could work even better with it.

Honestly, a small part of you was considering leaving one of the other two left alive but trapped somewhere, preferably stuck in a coma and with tattooed variants of a ring of sustenance and ring of regeneration just so you could keep harvesting the thing for these absolutely wonderful crafting materials. Especially since without the extradimensional blockage, due to the Dimensional Anchor dissipating on corpse, you could tell there was certainly some form of extradimensional effect manipulating space, meaning there was far more ichor than would be possible even if the original were to have been completely and utterly hollow. Maybe both, if you could manage it.

Immediately, you cup that hand and another beneath it to catch the small trickle, telling Eidolon, "Don't let it spill! This stuff is worth three-hundred and twenty times its weight in gold, double that in my own hands- not as literally as this, I mean- and double that if put towards the correct items!"

You carefully and quickly walked your way towards a choice bit of rubble with some metal sticking out of it, and simply using a bare hand wrenched off a thin piece, which you fashioned into proper metal vial & stopper over the course of one and a half minutes, into which you carefully poured the incredibly valuable material.

Once you returned to where you were, you spoke, "Yes, I can absolutely use this in my tinkering, to more conclusively answer your question, Ms. Alexandria. The rest of the body would similarly be useful as well, on further inspection."

Legend looks over to Alexandria for judgement on this, and she says, "While I'd like a demonstration, that doesn't seem possible, and you've earned a certain degree of trust, I'd say."

You blink once, look around, and in particular hone in a few of the particularly long feathers on one of the Simurgh's wings, some wood in a different pile of rubble, and then on Shadow Stalker's crossbow- not even repeating, which was honestly a touch shameful.

You say, "It actually is, and should only take just over fourteen minutes once I start. Fifteen and a half, since I'll need another vial. Well," you turn to Shadow Stalker, "Assuming you wouldn't mind receiving a new crossbow, that is."

You had set on mingling, and while a ward now, Shadow Stalker had both a history as a fairly effective vigilante, as you'd noted before would fit fairly well with either your homeland of Golarion or Faerun, and back in said lands, you'd certainly seen younger humans by a year or two doing well more in the realm of adventuring than she seems to have done. Hells, you were only seven or so when you murdered your father, a memory seems to come back to back up your point.

Shadow Stalker almost immediately says, "Oh fuck yes I'm on board with this."

You take your dagger from your sleeve- which by the singular moment of muscles tensing you can only see on Legend due to a mix of your perception and his skin-tight costume, he hadn't seen- turn to Eidolon and gesture at that wing, and after a nod, you quickly find the spots where you can cut off those few feathers you noted earlier.

From there, it's as simple as quickly putting together another metal vial, having Eidolon obligingly tilt the corpse, get figuring, forgehammer, and familiar set, and get started on work.

As you began the process, ask a plainly enraptured Shadow Stalker, "This process isn't particularly intensive, so I'm confident I can spare an arm. I presume you also wanted to receive copies of the photographs?"

Shadow Stalker speaks, "Yeah, text them to" she pauses, looks a touch towards Armsmaster, and semi-reluctantly by the sound gives an email address before continuing, "Also, one other thing."

You look at her only a moment, and in a rare moment of exceptional interpersonal insight, make something of a realization; from everything you can tell and recall, she seems to hold a worldview similar to a number of the more wild druids you've met- you've heard it called 'The law of the jungle/wilds/food chain' and all other sorts before. Plain and simply, the strong live, and feast on those that cannot or will not halt them. Whether that be metaphorically, socially, literally, or some mix of those, Shadow Stalker appeared to respect strength above all.

So, you simply turn back to your work, and elect not to be the one asking things.

It works only one minute later, as she says, clearly a bit thrown off, but with a bit more respect in her voice, "Can I have your autograph? Back in Brockton, obviously, nothing worth signing here."

After letting a few moments pass, you respond, "Would you prefer it in English, or in my native language?"

Shadow Stalker untenses a touch and says, "Native," a brief pause of a couple seconds, "Thanks, Mountain-Smith."

Hm, that is in itself an almost surprising amount of surprise, coming from Armsmaster there.

Speaking of, you turn to Armsmaster and ask, "Anything in particular for you?"

Armsmaster shakes his head, "No. I'm simply here in my capacity to watch Shadow Stalker."

You respond, "Ah, Ward supervision until you've fully returned. Fair enough. If I might ask, how goes your technological work?"

Armsmaster thinks a moment, then responds, "Fairly well. While I haven't had any major breakthroughs, I have been improving my the speed and quality of maintenance work steadily. I'm thinking I might have the time to add and maintain another feature onto the motorcycle if the improvement doesn't peter out too soon. You were right, by the way."

After a split moment that perhaps only Dragon, who's since left for other business and must have simply been hanging around to do so, would have noticed, you said, "About the shelf, I take it?"

Armsmaster nods, then adds, "Unfortunately, it took Assault a full week to stop trying to come up with faux-Swedish names for my tools and equipment, since it was installed."

You say, "Unfortunate indeed. Well, once I'm done I'll drop off you and Shadow Stalker first, then, having taken up more of your time than anticipated."

Armsmaster says, "Much appreciated," and after about a blink's time, "It's been good speaking with you again."

You say, "Much the same."

From there, it isn't much longer to finish creating the demonstration, to which you grab your dagger and carefully carve your own name in terran into the stock, and look over it once more.

With a polished dark wooden body, while the head was made of two carefully combined feathers, the quill-ends meeting in the middle of the weapon, while the bolt rest and flight groove were from the third feather, de-vaned and cut shorter. The soft vanes from the third were woven and combined into the singular and continuous bowstring of it, while the cut part was put to use for the repeating lever.

You hand to Shadow Stalker, who held it with the reverence a magic item made by you ought to receive which was admittedly gratifying, and you speak, "This, Shadow Stalker, is a Plus-one Human Bane Endless Ammunition Impervious Merciful Heavy Repeating Crossbow. I will email both you and Armsmaster with the more precise specifications later, but for now, know that it is baseline better than any normal crossbow, creates its own mundane ammunition, though any other compatible ammunition can still be loaded in place of that, is even further better against all humans, is highly resistant to damage even beyond what the materials alone would imply, and always strikes its targets nonlethally, though that last function can be turned off, and excessive nonlethal strikes can still result in lethal harm."

Shadow Stalker might not realize she's whispering out loud when she says, "Is this what religion feels like?"

From there, it is very much not an issue in not only getting the ichor, but with Eidolon also siding with you, and him being the man who actually killed the Simurgh, the matter gets settled fairly well.

Simply, going by the wings, each of the triumvirate 'get' thirteen wings which they elect not to remove from the body, the body itself goes to the protectorate as a whole, and you yourself get twelve of the wings, which is frankly quite well. Alexandria finds a good angle, and with a twist manages to rip them right off, yourself there to catch any stray ichor that might fall, which does fill up the two vials once the last wing is secured in your bag.

Lastly, before you nearly forget, you bring up the notion of loaning a few of your constructs to aid in reconstruction, but you are assured that both Dragon is already helping, and it'd be better for more of that sort to be handled by locals- Dragon already being something of a known factor in the way she is giving her something of a pass on that front.

Then, soon enough, you teleport everyone left that needs to be teleported about, and now, you're back at your base. The next endbringer attack, assuming the usual schedule, isn't do for a good while.

What next?

[ ] Work on your base, while you're here.
-[ ] Generators and Labratories.
-[ ] Moat.
--[ ] Water Moat (Traditional)
--[ ] Lava Moat (Unique, sends a message)
--[ ] Endbringer Ichor Moat (Unique, Sends. A. Message.)
-[ ] Other. (Write In)
[ ] Order around the Undersiders
-[ ] Send them on a heist for you.
-[ ] Power research time
--[ ] Anything specific? (Write in)
[ ] Set up an Ars Factum Nether Scroll to rest in the light of a Permanency-ed Prismatic Sphere.
[ ] You remember seeing on PHO mention of something called The Whitelist. Look into that.
[ ] Browse PHO for a bit, or otherwise just relax.
[ ] Hand the reigns to Iluontar.
[ ] Rest (and Level Up).
-[ ] Wizard
-[ ] Rogue
-[ ] Student of War
-[ ] Loremaster
-[ ] Other (Write In)
[ ] Something else, or a mix of the above. (Write In)

(Your character sheet is the exact same as last time, except with the 12 Simurgh Wings in the inventory and the 2 vials of Simurgh Ichor.)

AN: Quite Tired, as might be seen by me short-handing the character sheet this time. Maybe I'll fix it later, once I've slept.

Enjoy!
 
[X] Work on your base, while you're here.
-[X] Moat.
--[X] Endbringer Ichor Moat (Unique, Sends. A. Message.)
[X] Order around the Undersiders
-[X] Power research time
--[X] Lisa and Alex
[X] You remember seeing on PHO mention of something called The Whitelist. Look into that.
[X] Rest (and Level Up).
-[X] Loremaster

This looks like a decent mix of stuff to read - we still need to work on Scrolls, and Staff of Infinite Time and so on, but these should be a fun read before we go full efficiency.
Student of War vs Loremaster - Second level of Student of War is decent as it gets us like +10 to AC even if it doesn't improve our spells as much, plus we get additional Combat Feat, however we can just get that later with Scrolls. Loremaster gets us a feat instantly, and then on level two we get +20 or so to all our Knowledge checks, so its quite good.
 
--[X] Endbringer Ichor Moat (Unique, Sends. A. Message.)
I am against this for the sheer waste, if Endbringer Ichor is more valuable than dragon's heart blood and worth 2 to 3 times its weight in 24 cart liquid gold and presumably finite in total amount then wasting it on a moat seems stupid especially since it's practically inviting adventures to come steal it one barrel at a time , I would much rather have a lava moat filled with the elemental plain of fire's equivalent to piranhas
 
We specifically took ichor for the moat, and it is Unique besides. It would be stupid not to follow through. As for GP cost, I don't care unless it is diamonds.
 
Aside from the monetary cost, I don't believe we can currently live up to the message that doing this brings? Since the other Endbringer have better stats, and I doubt we can repeat this strategy again at all
 
We specifically took ichor for the moat, and it is Unique besides. It would be stupid not to follow through. As for GP cost, I don't care unless it is diamonds.
that was before we know its value , know that we know it could be used to say for example produce rings of mind blank(a 8th level spell !!) on an industrial scale or thousands of break enchantment wands that could clear out ziz bombs the world over squandering it on a moat seems the kind of wasteful stupid only practiced by those of a chaotic alignment
 
Broj wants to piss away our quest reward to mass produce equipment that blocks our own divination.

Epic.
first stop putting words in my mouth , I gave that as an example , second you want to waste it for a purely decorative moat meant to send a nebulous message , at least my idea doesn't revolve around something people piss into like a moat

[X] pragmatic base building
-[X] Work on your base, while you're here.
--[X] Lava or Acid Moat with the plain of fire or earth respectively equivalate of sharks(seeing about cybernetically strapping laser beams to their heads later)(Unique, sends a message)
-[X] Order around the Undersiders
-[X] Power research time
--[X] Lisa and Alex
-[X] You remember seeing on PHO mention of something called The Whitelist. Look into that.
-[X] Rest (and Level Up).
--[X] Loremaster
 
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No, your "idea" is to take unique quest reward and make shit we can make anyway. I've got no idea why is this the hill you choose to die on.
 
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